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Jim Watt
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Clock sync |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:08:14 +0100, Jim Watt <jimwatt@aol.no_way>
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| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:14:38 +0000, Nigel Goodwin
nigelg@lpilsley.co.uk> wrote:
OK, no 'usable' analogue text service, and BBC1 certainly doesn't
display a clock on page 100!.
Maybe it depends on the region, I'm certainly seeing
a clock on page 100 on BBC1 right now.
using an Echostar DSB 770 FTA
However, using the digibox its a different story so
perhaps the recent software change has removed
the facility to insert teletext ?
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On further testing it seems that my DVD recorder
strips teletext, connecting the digibox direct to the
telly produces a page 100 clock on BBC1 London
the other services seem to be missing it.
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Jan Panteltje
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:43:14 +0200) it happened "Brian"
<freelance102@hotmail.com> wrote in <4363fb01$0$347$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>:
| Quote: | I tried them all on the RF output from my Digibox but my TV says 'No
teletext available'.
Brian
That is then because digibox suXS and does not re-insert the teletext signals. |
Cheaper electronics = more profits = less watchers for other programs= market share = owned by US = kapitalist propaganda = extra sales because now you have to buy on other box for teletext = stupid.
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Jan Panteltje
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:30:17 +0100) it happened Jomtien
<jomtien@the.beach> wrote in <ktp8m11bomc837lp1tjrng4b09688pv778@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | Nigel Goodwin wrote:
There's no 'analogue' teletext on the satellite transmissions anymore,
In fact there is still some. Many channels have a few pages and all of
those carry the clock data.
If you are talking about *digital* sat TV there is no analog signal. |
The videotext / teletext stream is just a substream on a PID in the transport
stream.
For example ARD on hotbird:
Vidoe PID 172, Audio PID 173, Videotext PID 174
Some digital sat receivers will re-insert these signals as analog signals in
the vertical blanking, so that if you connect a normal analog TV with
teletext / ceefax / videotex whatever you call it, it will display it.
It is just an other reason to use the PC as media center, my PC syncs every
day with the NIST clock, and recordings start on time.
It even did the one hour winter time change today....
Starting recordings via teletext I gave up long ago, as it was more unreliable
then using a clock (sometimes they even forgot the start signal).
Maybe other countries are better...
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Jim Watt
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:54:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | digibox suXS and does not re-insert the teletext signals.
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Uh no, it does it very nicely.
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Jan Panteltje
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:01:55 +0100) it happened Jim Watt
<jimwatt@aol.no_way> wrote in <70h9m1d8d335dvbtu42791me0vrcgs3nj0@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:54:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
digibox suXS and does not re-insert the teletext signals.
Uh no, it does it very nicely.
OK, then kapitalist sustem must be good ;-) |
But digiboXsuXs anyways, as it uses non standard crypto and is Murdogged.
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Charles Ellson
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:45:52 +0200, "Brian" <freelance102@hotmail.com>
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"Charles Ellson" <charles@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bdp7m1h4u8osm8liprfu69o2u68d1igqmn@4ax.com...
snip
There is still "analogue" teletext on satellite transmissions in
varying amounts as shown by the availability of p.888 subtitles. If
the VCR uses the same part of the signal that feeds the teletext clock
then it is present on Astra 28deg on:
S4C Digidol
BBC1 London
BBC2 " "
CNN (although the displayed format is different from the BBC)
Travel Channel
Sky News (Ireland)
etc.
Presumably the sub-titles do not carry a clock signal.
ISTR they do but you need a receiver which can "Reveal" hidden |
teletext information to see it on screen as it is usual to hide the
banner when subtitles are in use. The "home" pages of the above all
show the time unlike e.g. the other BBC1/2 channels on satellite which
show no clock.
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John Porcella
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:
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What about just adjusting the time of recordings?
So if a programme starts in the UK at 21:00, then this would be 22:00 CET (I
think!).
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Jomtien
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: Clock sync |
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Nigel Goodwin wrote:
| Quote: | OK, no 'usable' analogue text service, and BBC1 certainly doesn't
display a clock on page 100!.
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There is still "usable" text around though I admit that I haven't
looked at the BBC1 version for some time.
| Quote: | As you can't change the page a VCR looks for the clock on, which is
presumably page 100?, then it's useless.
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Indeed. He will have to use another channel.
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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
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Jomtien
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
| Quote: | There's no 'analogue' teletext on the satellite transmissions anymore,
In fact there is still some. Many channels have a few pages and all of
those carry the clock data.
If you are talking about *digital* sat TV there is no analog signal.
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We were talking about analogue text as opposed to digital text as now
widely used on UK DSAT channels.
There is still analogue VBI text on UK DSAT and how it is transmitted
has no bearing on the question.
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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
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Jan Panteltje
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:30:35 +0000) it happened Walt Davidson
<g3nyy@despammed.com> wrote in <gh3cm191ra5mhlf6qd71b5nm7dmqhaj0hf@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:38:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
But digiboXsuXs anyways, as it uses non standard crypto and is Murdogged.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes ... it's very smart, because that stops people like you from
hacking it.
:-)
There is NOTHING on sky TV that I even would like to be exposed to. |
For that reason I have not made, and very likely will not make, an effort to
even to try to dig in that extremely simplistic box of FLIP_FLOPS and gates.
Rupert MurDOG is just an US controlled tool to bring US propaganda to the rest
of the world, so they can sell us cola, weapons, and influence YOU.
The MASSES - those who are stupid enough to go and buy that crap box- are the
target audience.
And the MASSES are not capable of cracking it.
That is why it is so simple.
You are one of them? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? IS YOUR MIND CONTROLLED BY GEORGE BUSH JR ?
YES THIS IS POSSIBLE:-) CRUSH YOUR SKY BOX NOW
before it is too late and you will join the US army to invade YAOC (Yet An Other Country).
Greetings
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Walt Davidson
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:38:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | But digiboXsuXs anyways, as it uses non standard crypto and is Murdogged.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
Yes ... it's very smart, because that stops people like you from
hacking it.
:-)
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Jan Panteltje
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:24:07 +0100) it happened Jomtien
<jomtien@the.beach> wrote in <hahbm1tb1laumq1odmis0tggq809vtptlq@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | Jan Panteltje wrote:
There's no 'analogue' teletext on the satellite transmissions anymore,
In fact there is still some. Many channels have a few pages and all of
those carry the clock data.
If you are talking about *digital* sat TV there is no analog signal.
We were talking about analogue text as opposed to digital text as now
widely used on UK DSAT channels.
There is still analogue VBI text on UK DSAT and how it is transmitted
has no bearing on the question.
You are an idiot. |
There cannot be analog VBI in a digital stream.
And how it is transmitted IS important, unless you are a know nothing Murdoch mind
control TV programs receivers salesman.
You are an idiot, NOT ONLY FOR REPEATING THAT FAQ EVERY DAY.
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Walt Davidson
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:50:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | There is NOTHING on sky TV that I even would like to be exposed to.
For that reason I have not made, and very likely will not make, an effort to
even to try to dig in that extremely simplistic box of FLIP_FLOPS and gates.
Rupert MurDOG is just an US controlled tool to bring US propaganda to the rest
of the world, so they can sell us cola, weapons, and influence YOU.
The MASSES - those who are stupid enough to go and buy that crap box- are the
target audience.
And the MASSES are not capable of cracking it.
That is why it is so simple.
You are one of them? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? IS YOUR MIND CONTROLLED BY GEORGE BUSH JR ?
YES THIS IS POSSIBLE:-) CRUSH YOUR SKY BOX NOW
before it is too late and you will join the US army to invade YAOC (Yet An Other Country).
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I always thought you were a nut case.
Thank you for confirming it beyond all doubt!
:-)))
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Jim Watt
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
Re: Clock sync |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:50:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | There is NOTHING on sky TV that I even would like to be exposed to.
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excellent, as Mr Burns might say.
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Jim Watt
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:16:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | You are an idiot.
There cannot be analog VBI in a digital stream.
And how it is transmitted IS important, unless you are a know nothing Murdoch mind
control TV programs receivers salesman.
You are an idiot, NOT ONLY FOR REPEATING THAT FAQ EVERY DAY.
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someone clearly is a streaming idiot, yet on balance its not Jomtien
Anyhow, BBC 1 London carries teletext, which the digibox inserts
into the analogue video signal leaving it.
end of story.
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