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John Wright
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:18:27 +0100, "Tom" <gps001@net.hr> wrote:
| Quote: | 16 Nov 2005 "Dale DePriest" wrote:
IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
Dale, do you think that the ammount of upgrades
(or "upgrades") shows Garmin's love and respect to
their customers?
IMHO it's (almost) proportional to the ammount of
bugs found in their products :)
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Or their products being not quite ready - I have an eMap which on one
upgrade went from 1 route (!) to 50.
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
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peter
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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John Wright wrote:
| Quote: | IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
IMHO it's (almost) proportional to the ammount of
bugs found in their products :)
Or their products being not quite ready - I have an eMap which on one
upgrade went from 1 route (!) to 50.
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I disagree that that upgrade had anything to do with either 'bugs' or
product readiness. At the time the eMap was introduced, the only other
mapping Garmin handheld was the III+ which got very good reviews but
was regarded by many as having too complex a user interface. Garmin's
tech support also got many phone calls from customers confused about
all the display options, modes and settings.
So the eMap was marketed as a simple "electronic map" with almost no
user settable options - no custom fields, only one datum and location
format, a single route, bearings in cardinal directions (NE rather than
45°), no magnetic deviation setting, etc.
With the initial firmware it did just what it was advertised to do, but
naturally there were then complaints from customers who wanted many of
those options that had been deliberately left out. Firmware 2.50
responded to their requests and put back those user options but still
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tvnav.com
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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"John Wright" <john@pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:18:27 +0100, "Tom" <gps001@net.hr> wrote:
16 Nov 2005 "Dale DePriest" wrote:
IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
Dale, do you think that the ammount of upgrades
(or "upgrades") shows Garmin's love and respect to
their customers?
IMHO it's (almost) proportional to the ammount of
bugs found in their products :)
Or their products being not quite ready - I have an eMap which on one
upgrade went from 1 route (!) to 50.
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John you bring up an excellent example of how Garmin listens their
customers....the eMap was released as it was suppose to be but because of
customer requests they added countless features to the unit after it was
released...of course all at no charge.
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Hans-Georg Michna
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:18:46 -0800, Dale DePriest wrote:
| Quote: | Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:23 +1100, Non Toxic wrote:
Its unlikely Garmin will be updating the SP3 software to support the larger
card.
You bet. Keeping memory low is one of the methods for
accelerated obsolescence, one that Garmin uses excessively in my
personal view.
The sad truth is that In the current situation of many clueless
first-time buyers they would lose business if they assisted in
upgrading older devices.
Why is everything always a conspiracy for some people. It is likely that
this is simply a hardware issue based on the lack of available address
lines in the interface. IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
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Dale,
no conspiracy here.
It is also not a hardware issue. Other devices that are far
cheaper have no problems with larger memory modules.
It is simply a business decision, and a fairly obvious one.
Hans-Georg
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tvnav.com
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:18:46 -0800, Dale DePriest wrote:
Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:23 +1100, Non Toxic wrote:
Its unlikely Garmin will be updating the SP3 software to support the
larger
card.
You bet. Keeping memory low is one of the methods for
accelerated obsolescence, one that Garmin uses excessively in my
personal view.
The sad truth is that In the current situation of many clueless
first-time buyers they would lose business if they assisted in
upgrading older devices.
Why is everything always a conspiracy for some people. It is likely that
this is simply a hardware issue based on the lack of available address
lines in the interface. IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
Dale,
no conspiracy here.
It is also not a hardware issue.
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And you know this how?
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Phil Wheeler
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:18:46 -0800, Dale DePriest wrote:
Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:23 +1100, Non Toxic wrote:
Its unlikely Garmin will be updating the SP3 software to support the larger
card.
You bet. Keeping memory low is one of the methods for
accelerated obsolescence, one that Garmin uses excessively in my
personal view.
The sad truth is that In the current situation of many clueless
first-time buyers they would lose business if they assisted in
upgrading older devices.
Why is everything always a conspiracy for some people. It is likely that
this is simply a hardware issue based on the lack of available address
lines in the interface. IMHO Garmin provides more upgrades for free than
most other products I have bought.
Dale,
no conspiracy here.
It is also not a hardware issue. Other devices that are far
cheaper have no problems with larger memory modules.
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Disagree.
The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
Phil |
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Hans-Georg Michna
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:40 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
| Quote: | The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
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Darrel, Phil,
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
Garmin has made a design decision against going that way. The
reasons are obvious.
Of course it can be an addressing limitation, but that is a
limitation intentionally designed into the devices. It is
possible that this makes the devices a wee bit cheaper as well.
But the much more obvious effect is earlier obsolescence.
As I had already written, this makes good business sense in the
current situation of a market full of first-time buyers who have
no idea what memory capacity really means for them. They find
out only after they've used the device for a couple of months,
but then they've already bought it.
As I had also written, I'm no longer really blaming Garmin for
this. The market leads them that way, and we, the customers, are
actually to blame.
I would like to see alternatives from Garmin, like the same
devices, somewhat more expensive, with a capable CompactFlash
slot. But they seem to think that these devices wouldn't sell,
and in the current market situation they may well be right.
Hans-Georg
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patrick
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:40 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
Darrel, Phil,
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
Garmin has made a design decision against going that way. The
reasons are obvious.
Hans-Georg,
Apparently you missed tthe beginning of this discussion. Someone asked if
the new Garmin 512K memory card would work in the SP-III .. in addition to
other units it will work in. Answer was "no". Hardly a generic design
decision, since it will work in other Garmin units. But, given the SP-III
has been discontinued, not amazing either. And it is likely a hardware
issue -- related to a now archaic design.
A parallel would to to bash Toshiba because my old origninal Libretto has
no usb port and only an 800 MB HDD. Technology changes.
And your comment, generically, is not relevant today. To the best of my
knowledge, Garmin now makes automotive GPSRs with HDDs for map storage and
CF cards, too. So you are, as we say, beating a dead horse.
Well said, Phil! . . . . patrick |
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Hans-Georg Michna
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:34:57 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
| Quote: | Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
Garmin has made a design decision against going that way. The
reasons are obvious.
Apparently you missed tthe beginning of this discussion. Someone asked
if the new Garmin 512K memory card would work in the SP-III .. in
addition to other units it will work in. Answer was "no". Hardly a
generic design decision, since it will work in other Garmin units. But,
given the SP-III has been discontinued, not amazing either. And it is
likely a hardware issue -- related to a now archaic design.
A parallel would to to bash Toshiba because my old origninal Libretto
has no usb port and only an 800 MB HDD. Technology changes.
And your comment, generically, is not relevant today. To the best of my
knowledge, Garmin now makes automotive GPSRs with HDDs for map storage
and CF cards, too. So you are, as we say, beating a dead horse.
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Phil,
thanks for correcting me. You are right in this particular case.
My remark was more general, but I hope very much that you will
keep being right from now on, and Garmin will issue devices that
can store a complete map of some 2 GB.
Hans-Georg
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Phil Wheeler
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:34:57 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
Garmin has made a design decision against going that way. The
reasons are obvious.
Apparently you missed tthe beginning of this discussion. Someone asked
if the new Garmin 512K memory card would work in the SP-III .. in
addition to other units it will work in. Answer was "no". Hardly a
generic design decision, since it will work in other Garmin units. But,
given the SP-III has been discontinued, not amazing either. And it is
likely a hardware issue -- related to a now archaic design.
A parallel would to to bash Toshiba because my old origninal Libretto
has no usb port and only an 800 MB HDD. Technology changes.
And your comment, generically, is not relevant today. To the best of my
knowledge, Garmin now makes automotive GPSRs with HDDs for map storage
and CF cards, too. So you are, as we say, beating a dead horse.
Phil,
thanks for correcting me. You are right in this particular case.
My remark was more general, but I hope very much that you will
keep being right from now on, and Garmin will issue devices that
can store a complete map of some 2 GB.
Hans-Georg
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Me, too. I'm hoping to upgrade my SP-III one of these days (but it
still works fine and I have enough storage for the types of trips I'm
doing these days). |
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Phil Wheeler
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
Re: 512MB Garmin memory announced |
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Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:40 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
Darrel, Phil,
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
Garmin has made a design decision against going that way. The
reasons are obvious.
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Hans-Georg,
Apparently you missed tthe beginning of this discussion. Someone asked
if the new Garmin 512K memory card would work in the SP-III .. in
addition to other units it will work in. Answer was "no". Hardly a
generic design decision, since it will work in other Garmin units. But,
given the SP-III has been discontinued, not amazing either. And it is
likely a hardware issue -- related to a now archaic design.
A parallel would to to bash Toshiba because my old origninal Libretto
has no usb port and only an 800 MB HDD. Technology changes.
And your comment, generically, is not relevant today. To the best of my
knowledge, Garmin now makes automotive GPSRs with HDDs for map storage
and CF cards, too. So you are, as we say, beating a dead horse.
Phil |
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tvnav.com
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
news:irq2o1prm0if4at5c02gbaij5397fqrnfm@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:40 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
Darrel, Phil,
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
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What does other devices have to do with Garmin?
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Hans-Georg Michna
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:02:45 -0600, tvnav.com wrote:
| Quote: | "Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
news:irq2o1prm0if4at5c02gbaij5397fqrnfm@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:40 GMT, Phil Wheeler wrote:
The context was why the SPIII cannot use a 512M (vs. only 256M) Garmin
memory card -- not why it does not use SD, CF, etc. And that could well
be an addressing limitation (i.e., hardware).
as I had written, other devices by other manufacturers that are
far cheaper can use Gigabytes on CompactFlash cards.
What does other devices have to do with Garmin?
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Darrel,
they prove that it is technically doable, that there is no
hardware limitation, unless the limitation is intentionally
designed into the device.
Hans-Georg
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tvnav.com
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject:
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"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Darrel,
they prove that it is technically doable, that there is no
hardware limitation,
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I have no idea what the hardware limitation was on the SP3 just as I'm
sure you don't either. There is NO reason for Garmin not to make the 512MB
work with the SP3 that I can think of so I'm sure it's either a hardware
limitation or that it would take too much programming time to make it
worthwhile. Your reasons don't make sense whatsoever.
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GPS@tvnav.com
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Phil Wheeler
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:
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tvnav.com wrote:
| Quote: | "Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
news:udo5o1l7haq292o528ddk4vb0ch6qbkl3o@4ax.com...
Darrel,
they prove that it is technically doable, that there is no
hardware limitation,
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Your reasons don't make sense whatsoever.
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Darrel,
Conspiracy theories require no rationale :)
Phil |
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