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marcelsparco
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
No SECAM or no signal? |
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This question is not about satellite TV but about cable TV, but since I
could find no other forums discussing similar issues, I'm posting it
here...
I recently moved from the Netherlands to France, and since my TV was
bought in 1999, I thought it would have no problems with the SECAM system.
However, after I connected the TV the automatic tuner did not find any
signals at all, and when I search by hand I only find what look like very
weak signals.
So, I figured that either I don't get any signal at all, or the problem is
that my TV can only handle PAL after all. The thing is, I would like to
know which of these is the case before I try to solve the problem - my
French is still terrible, so it will be hard enough solving the problem
without having to explain both options ;-)
So, my question is the following: if my TV would indeed be able to receive
PAL only, would that give the above problems (no tuning, only what looks
like a very weak signal), or would I be perfectly able to receive the
channels, but just see a lot of junk?
Thanks for any advice!
Marcel |
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Whoops! SCOTTIES
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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marcel, when i took my uk tv to paris i found it would recieve signals bit
they'd look out of tune (and in black and white). i'd guess you'd better buy
a new tv.
"marcelsparco" <marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c88b3a40bac245d0f8d88d3f1bc8a6ce@localhost.talkaboutsatellitetv.com...
| Quote: | This question is not about satellite TV but about cable TV, but since I
could find no other forums discussing similar issues, I'm posting it
here...
I recently moved from the Netherlands to France, and since my TV was
bought in 1999, I thought it would have no problems with the SECAM system.
However, after I connected the TV the automatic tuner did not find any
signals at all, and when I search by hand I only find what look like very
weak signals.
So, I figured that either I don't get any signal at all, or the problem is
that my TV can only handle PAL after all. The thing is, I would like to
know which of these is the case before I try to solve the problem - my
French is still terrible, so it will be hard enough solving the problem
without having to explain both options ;-)
So, my question is the following: if my TV would indeed be able to receive
PAL only, would that give the above problems (no tuning, only what looks
like a very weak signal), or would I be perfectly able to receive the
channels, but just see a lot of junk?
Thanks for any advice!
Marcel
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Jomtien
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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marcelsparco wrote:
| Quote: | if my TV would indeed be able to receive
PAL only, would that give the above problems (no tuning, only what looks
like a very weak signal), or would I be perfectly able to receive the
channels, but just see a lot of junk?
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The latter would normally apply.
--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
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Mogens Poulsen
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:03:48 -0500, "marcelsparco"
<marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | would I be perfectly able to receive the
channels, but just see a lot of junk?
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Your TV will receive SECAM - but might be in black and white.
If it's cable - maybe you must contact your cable provider to activate
the signal.
Otherwise check the antenna, cabling, amplifier, power supply.
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mpoulsen@tdcadsl(detteslettes).dk. |
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R. Mark Clayton
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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"marcelsparco" <marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c88b3a40bac245d0f8d88d3f1bc8a6ce@localhost.talkaboutsatellitetv.com...
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So, my question is the following: if my TV would indeed be able to receive
PAL only, would that give the above problems (no tuning, only what looks
like a very weak signal), or would I be perfectly able to receive the
channels, but just see a lot of junk?
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If your TV won't do Secam, then you will see a black & white picture.
Are you looking in the right band?
Is your aerial point the right way.
Is it plugged in?
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Thanks for any advice!
Marcel
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Michael Chare
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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"marcelsparco" <marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c88b3a40bac245d0f8d88d3f1bc8a6ce@localhost.talkaboutsatellitetv.com...
| Quote: | This question is not about satellite TV but about cable TV, but since I
could find no other forums discussing similar issues, I'm posting it
here...
I recently moved from the Netherlands to France, and since my TV was
bought in 1999, I thought it would have no problems with the SECAM system.
However, after I connected the TV the automatic tuner did not find any
signals at all, and when I search by hand I only find what look like very
weak signals.
So, I figured that either I don't get any signal at all, or the problem is
that my TV can only handle PAL after all.
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You may be able to download the TV's instruction manual from the manufacturers
web site.
As others have said, a PAL TV will show a SECAM picture in Black and White.
There are also various versions of PAL. For example the UK and Netherlands use
different frequencies for the sound.
(Use Google for more details.)
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Michael Chare |
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Miles Collins
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:07 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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Michael Chare wrote:
| Quote: | "marcelsparco" <marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c88b3a40bac245d0f8d88d3f1bc8a6ce@localhost.talkaboutsatellitetv.com...
I recently moved from the Netherlands to France, and since my TV was
bought in 1999, I thought it would have no problems with the SECAM system.
However, after I connected the TV the automatic tuner did not find any
signals at all, and when I search by hand I only find what look like very
weak signals.
So, I figured that either I don't get any signal at all, or the problem is
that my TV can only handle PAL after all.
As others have said, a PAL TV will show a SECAM picture in Black and White.
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But only if it was receiving SECAM B/G(H) or D/K
AFAIK France uses the SECAM Standard L, which differs from the B/G and
D/K standards, by having positive video modulation and AM sound.
With the inverse video polarity, the TV cannot synchronize the picture.
Also the channel table is different, so the automatic search won't find
anything.
If the original posters TV can't be switched to SECAM L, he'll have to
consider getting a replacement set that can
Miles |
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Michael Chare
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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"Miles Collins" <not-for-mail@zybrkat.org> wrote in message
news:437f6963$0$25833$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de...
| Quote: | Michael Chare wrote:
"marcelsparco" <marcelvonk123@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c88b3a40bac245d0f8d88d3f1bc8a6ce@localhost.talkaboutsatellitetv.com...
I recently moved from the Netherlands to France, and since my TV was
bought in 1999, I thought it would have no problems with the SECAM system.
However, after I connected the TV the automatic tuner did not find any
signals at all, and when I search by hand I only find what look like very
weak signals.
So, I figured that either I don't get any signal at all, or the problem is
that my TV can only handle PAL after all.
As others have said, a PAL TV will show a SECAM picture in Black and White.
But only if it was receiving SECAM B/G(H) or D/K
AFAIK France uses the SECAM Standard L, which differs from the B/G and
D/K standards, by having positive video modulation and AM sound.
With the inverse video polarity, the TV cannot synchronize the picture.
Also the channel table is different, so the automatic search won't find
anything.
If the original posters TV can't be switched to SECAM L, he'll have to
consider getting a replacement set that can
Miles
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My UK PAL TVs show French analogue TV (from satellite) in black and white.
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Jomtien
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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Michael Chare wrote:
| Quote: | My UK PAL TVs show French analogue TV (from satellite) in black and white.
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Yes, because you are using scart. They will not tune an RF SECAM
channel unless they are designed to do so.
--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-) |
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Jomtien
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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Miles Collins wrote:
| Quote: | As others have said, a PAL TV will show a SECAM picture in Black and White.
But only if it was receiving SECAM B/G(H) or D/K
AFAIK France uses the SECAM Standard L, which differs from the B/G and
D/K standards, by having positive video modulation and AM sound.
With the inverse video polarity, the TV cannot synchronize the picture.
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Quite correct, hence my earlier comment.
A PAL TV that is not designed for SECAM reception will show black and
white via a scart connection but just jagged nonsense via the RF
tuner.
| Quote: | Also the channel table is different, so the automatic search won't find
anything.
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Most TVs will scan the full UHF band. It won't help in this instance
though.
--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-) |
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R. Mark Clayton
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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"Jomtien" <jomtien@the.beach> wrote in message
news:8a60o1hctr3lekf0jn21719t7b2oldajt8@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Michael Chare wrote:
My UK PAL TVs show French analogue TV (from satellite) in black and white.
Yes, because you are using scart. They will not tune an RF SECAM
channel unless they are designed to do so.
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My UK PAL (only) receivers show a black and white image with sound for
analogue received Secam via satellite (e.g. TF1). Whether the reconstructed
signal is identical to that received terrestially in France I am not 100%
sure.
My multistandard set shows PAL, Secam and NTSC just fine, and of the three
Secam is marginally the best (but not as good as RGB).
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Jomtien
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, because you are using scart. They will not tune an RF SECAM
channel unless they are designed to do so.
My UK PAL (only) receivers show a black and white image with sound for
analogue received Secam via satellite (e.g. TF1). Whether the reconstructed
signal is identical to that received terrestially in France I am not 100%
sure.
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No, it isn't, hence my comment.
All PAL TVs without SECAM circuitry will show SECAM as black and white
via scart, but they will not normally be able to tune the channels via
RF. You just get the jagged lines and other nonsense.
--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-) |
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Michael Chare
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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"Jomtien" <jomtien@the.beach> wrote in message
news:8a60o1hctr3lekf0jn21719t7b2oldajt8@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Michael Chare wrote:
My UK PAL TVs show French analogue TV (from satellite) in black and white.
Yes, because you are using scart. They will not tune an RF SECAM
channel unless they are designed to do so.
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No, the TVs are only connected via aerial lead. One of the TVs does not even
have a Scart socket.
(Panasonic and old Hitachi TVs)
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Colum Mylod
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:24:50 +0100, Jomtien <jomtien@the.beach> wrote:
| Quote: | All PAL TVs without SECAM circuitry will show SECAM as black and white
via scart, but they will not normally be able to tune the channels via
RF. You just get the jagged lines and other nonsense.
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Pedants ahoy: this is true for positive mod signals such as France's
analogue network (get it while you can). Should the heavens permit,
Greek SECAM will show up on PALly TV in crystal clear b/w for example.
I thought I'd emphasis the .europe in this ng's name! When openings
occurred from France we would usually be able to *tune* in the
signals, there would be enough positive peaks to grab the tuner's
attention, but suppressed sound on lack of sync would take care of AM
sound incompatibility anyway.
Not sure why another poster's pic would be better in SECAM since
almost (?) all TVs I've ever examined had a SECAM to PAL converter
stage, thus negating any Gallic claims of superiority (on top of
studios being PAL originally, SECAM was tx onwards only).
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Nigel Goodwin
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:39 am Post subject:
Re: No SECAM or no signal? |
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In message <b3u3o115eckabf8lkbmbmsc0b4epmag7kg@4ax.com>, Colum Mylod
<cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> writes
| Quote: | Not sure why another poster's pic would be better in SECAM since
almost (?) all TVs I've ever examined had a SECAM to PAL converter
stage, thus negating any Gallic claims of superiority (on top of
studios being PAL originally, SECAM was tx onwards only).
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SECAM overcomes some of the problems with PAL, but it also introduces
some of it's own - in general there's nothing to choose between them.
--
Nigel.
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