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ElAlumbrado
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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"Neon John" <no@never.com> wrote
| Quote: | I'd be
shocked to death to find that some DeLorme employee isn't tasked to
monitor Usenet and other places where their products are likely to be
discussed.
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With that assumption in mind:
1) I would like to have a "floating window" in which I can display
information that is important to *me* (i.e., Speed, Heading, Altitude,
ETA, whatever.) and the ability to move this "info" window to a screen
location of *my* choice. While we're at it, I'd like to be able to
specify fonts, sizes, and colors, too. For me, a 1/2 screen map window
and a 1/2 screen "info" window with a black background and large orange
digits is just about perfect.
2) I would like to have the ability to create a black-background "night"
map with no light gray borders to reduce "cockpit" illumination at
night. I would also like to have the ability to eliminate (or at least
hide) the bottom tab bar and right-edge "info" panel.
3) I would like the ability to create "macros" and assign my own "key
codes" to common actions, such as "show/hide drawing layer 3" or
"center map on route end point".
That's enough for a start.
El Alumbrado
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Neon John
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:24:07 GMT, "Alan Burnstine"
<nospam@thetechguru.net> wrote:
| Quote: | If you can (broadband + binaries Usenet), I HIGHLY suggest grabbing a
bootleg copy of SA and try it before you buy. It seems to get worse
every year. Get a bootleg of S&T too and try it.
Why. steal it? Delorme has a 30 day money back no questions asked
guarantee. If you buy it, don't like it, and return it, you are sending a
message (which unfortunatly, I believe is still falling on deaf ears, and I
LIKE Delorme's stuff). If you just steal a copy and delete it, they never
hear about it and will continue to think everyone just loves the
interface....
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Steal? Not hardly, since I've deprived DeLorme of nothing. Why not
buy and send back? a) my time is worth more than that and b) I'd
still have to eat shipping.
On one hand, the bootleg copy is but a few mouse clicks away. OTOH, I
have to go to DeLorme's site, pay for the upgrade, wait for it to
arrive, install it, find that I hate it, uninstall it, send it back on
my nickel and then track my online banking to make sure I get the
refund. The choice is fairly obvious.
I'm also "sending a message", whatever that means, by NOT upgrading
anymore. I'm also SAM by griping at every opportunity. I'd be
shocked to death to find that some DeLorme employee isn't tasked to
monitor Usenet and other places where their products are likely to be
discussed.
John
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See my website for my current email address
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Garry W
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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"Alan Burnstine" <nospam@thetechguru.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Garry W wrote:
I'm with Jack. If it the new UI at least had hot keys, I could live
with it. Could anyone report whether SA nowadays has a useful
selection of hot keys?
SA2006 has extensive user definable hot keys. That is one of the useability
enhancements I mentioned.
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Okay... I'll go ahead and take the plunge. Thanks. Wish me luck.:)
Garry |
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Alan Burnstine
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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Garry W wrote:
| Quote: | I'm with Jack. If it the new UI at least had hot keys, I could live
with it. Could anyone report whether SA nowadays has a useful
selection of hot keys?
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SA2006 has extensive user definable hot keys. That is one of the useability
enhancements I mentioned.
Alan |
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Alan Burnstine
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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Neon John wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:24:07 GMT, "Alan Burnstine"
nospam@thetechguru.net> wrote:
If you can (broadband + binaries Usenet), I HIGHLY suggest grabbing
a bootleg copy of SA and try it before you buy. It seems to get
worse every year. Get a bootleg of S&T too and try it.
Why. steal it? Delorme has a 30 day money back no questions asked
guarantee. If you buy it, don't like it, and return it, you are
sending a message (which unfortunatly, I believe is still falling on
deaf ears, and I LIKE Delorme's stuff). If you just steal a copy
and delete it, they never hear about it and will continue to think
everyone just loves the interface....
Steal? Not hardly, since I've deprived DeLorme of nothing. Why not
buy and send back? a) my time is worth more than that and b) I'd
still have to eat shipping.
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I don't want to get into the argument over whether or not copyright
violation is or is not theft (it is) , and does or does not deprive the
copyright holder of anything (it does), so I won't continue this particular
thread. I'll just say, you are wrong from a legal perspective. I'll leave
the moral argument to others with more patience for fools then I have.
Alan |
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Alan Burnstine
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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ElAlumbrado wrote:
| Quote: | "Neon John" <no@never.com> wrote
I'd be
shocked to death to find that some DeLorme employee isn't tasked to
monitor Usenet and other places where their products are likely to be
discussed.
With that assumption in mind:
1) I would like to have a "floating window" in which I can display
information that is important to *me* (i.e., Speed, Heading, Altitude,
ETA, whatever.) and the ability to move this "info" window to a screen
location of *my* choice. While we're at it, I'd like to be able to
specify fonts, sizes, and colors, too. For me, a 1/2 screen map window
and a 1/2 screen "info" window with a black background and large
orange digits is just about perfect.
2) I would like to have the ability to create a black-background
"night" map with no light gray borders to reduce "cockpit"
illumination at night. I would also like to have the ability to
eliminate (or at least hide) the bottom tab bar and right-edge "info"
panel.
3) I would like the ability to create "macros" and assign my own "key
codes" to common actions, such as "show/hide drawing layer 3" or
"center map on route end point".
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I would recommend you put these on the Feature Requests thread on the
Delorme forums. They absolutly do monitor and participate in that forum.
These are excellent ideas.
Alan |
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:00:17 -0800, Garry W
<ListMail@extremelyserious.org> wrote:
| Quote: | But I
recently switched from a cell phone company that had really bad directory
assistance (Verizon) to a new cell phone company that has hopelessly bad
directory assistance (Sprint), and I'm sort of desperate.
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You think you are desperate now, wait until you attempt to get
"customer service" from Sprint!
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Garry W
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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"Tex Houston" <texhouston@pcisys.netVVV> wrote:
| Quote: | "Garry W" <ListMail@extremelyserious.org> wrote in message
Seems odd that Delorme is the =only= consumer-level company selling
loadable phone listings. Oh well. (But: I appreciate it.)
www.whitepages.com
www.yellowpages.com
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I was -tryin'- to figure out how to say that clearly. I want phone listings I
can "load" into my computer -- without being connected to the internet at the
time.
(Yah, I could buy data service from my cell phone company, and it that way I
suppose... I'm too much of a cheapskate.:)
Garry |
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Jack Erbes
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:52 am Post subject:
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Alan Burnstine wrote:
| Quote: | Garry W wrote:
I'm with Jack. If it the new UI at least had hot keys, I could live
with it. Could anyone report whether SA nowadays has a useful
selection of hot keys?
SA2006 has extensive user definable hot keys. That is one of the useability
enhancements I mentioned.
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Well that's a step in the right direction. I've been told by people
inside the company that a Windows CUA front end will never come back.
That is okay with me.
It was interesting to read Tom's comments about the poor quality of the
mapping data in SA 2006 was enlightening.
One thing I have enjoyed about Streets & Trips 2006 is that NAVTEQ data
used seems to be very current and accurate. I live on a street that has
only been in the 911 database for about 4-5 year and Streets & Trips is
the first nav program I have found that has it on it.
The Canadian road data that is included with S&T 2006 is pretty good
too. It appears to have something like all numbered national and
provincial roads and highway. It also has street level detail in all
cities and towns of any size.
Pocket Streets for the Pocket PC and Smartphone is not worth bothering
with IMHO. It was included with S&T.
Jack
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Alan Burnstine
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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Jack Erbes wrote:
| Quote: | Alan Burnstine wrote:
Garry W wrote:
I'm with Jack. If it the new UI at least had hot keys, I could live
with it. Could anyone report whether SA nowadays has a useful
selection of hot keys?
SA2006 has extensive user definable hot keys. That is one of the
useability enhancements I mentioned.
Well that's a step in the right direction. I've been told by people
inside the company that a Windows CUA front end will never come back.
That is okay with me.
It was interesting to read Tom's comments about the poor quality of
the mapping data in SA 2006 was enlightening.
One thing I have enjoyed about Streets & Trips 2006 is that NAVTEQ
data used seems to be very current and accurate. I live on a street
that has only been in the 911 database for about 4-5 year and Streets
& Trips is the first nav program I have found that has it on it.
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I have been trying to talk Delorme into selling a version with Navteq maps.
I would pay a premium for the higher accuracy.
They are making a concerted effort to improve their data. SA2006 is better,
at least in my area, then any of their previous releases, but there are
still irritating errors that are clearly due to them using the Tiger
database as their root source prior to adding their data corrections.
Still, better then SA9 where they used GDT as a data source. It was
attrocious.
Alan |
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Jon Porter
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:lvydndyyxddymBDenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com...
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Pocket Streets for the Pocket PC and Smartphone is not worth bothering
with IMHO. It was included with S&T.
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A very handy feature of Pocket Streets is being able to show the location of
a contact on the map. And, you can use it with GPS navigation if you have
the proper cable to connect your GPS to your Pocket PC.
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Jon
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Jack Erbes
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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Jon Porter wrote:
| Quote: | "Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:lvydndyyxddymBDenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com...
Pocket Streets for the Pocket PC and Smartphone is not worth bothering
with IMHO. It was included with S&T.
A very handy feature of Pocket Streets is being able to show the location of
a contact on the map. And, you can use it with GPS navigation if you have
the proper cable to connect your GPS to your Pocket PC.
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I might have give that another try. I tried to upload a map to an iPAQ
and could only upload an area that was about a 25 mile square. I
couldn't get from Ellsworth, ME to Bangor, ME (23 miles) with it.
Once I got a map on the iPAQ, there was not any way to search the map
for destinations or plan a route. It looked like I had to plan the
route on the PC and then upload the map and route to the PDA. I gave up
on it pretty quick.
My snapshot impression was that it was the only PDA nav app I have ever
seen that was less capable than DeLorme's Street Atlas HandHeld. When I
see SAHH mentioned I ask for feedback on it and if anyone has gotten any
satisfaction out of that yet. As it appears, not even the "DeLorme
cheerleaders" that drop in here occasionally want to talk it.
Jack
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Jack Erbes
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
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Dan Lawyer wrote:
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| Quote: | The SA# interface won't ever be back, so don't wait for it.
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If so, I won't ever be back either. DeLorme need not wait for me. I,
and numerous other people apparently, have moved on to other products.
And if that is of no concern to DeLorme it does not bother me.
If I were DeLorme, and you were an employee, I'd tell you to quit saying
that. It insults or alienates potential customers. If people told me
they wanted the program to have a Windows CUA GUI, I would say thanks
for your input and salt it away in memory. If I heard enough people say
they wanted it, I'd would consider developing one.
| Quote: | Most non-MS
major applications don't even use it anymore. Photo and Video editing apps
are prime examples, as well as most major game apps have never used it. You
see pieces of it in them, but not in the main interface.
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You can't be serious. Are you talking about the Windows CUA?
I am talking about the concept of hitting the Alt key and then a letter
key (Alt f for the File menu as an example) to use the pop down menus?
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single Windows application
that I have used recently that does not have that capability. I can't
think of one on my computer that does not have it.
On SA 9, using the numerous hot keys and the Arrow keys, I could display
and navigate all the menus and control every function of SA 9. It was
simple, self prompting, and could be safely done in motion. And when I
did not want them the menus went away. It was wonderful.
I could pick off numerous frequently used command sequences by tapping
Alt and then two or three other keys in sequence.
I could even pick those keys off one at a time as I was driving by
myself (much like/no more distraction than tuning any other dash board
control).
I could turn automatic panning on and off and use the arrow and page
up/down keys to pan around and zoom in and out on the map.
I could turn the display of trip details on and off by tapping three
keys in sequence.
I could restart the GPS with hot keys, I could recalculate the route
with hot keys, I could open any one of a number of previous planned
route files (actually called a map file IIRC) and start tracking on it
with hot keys.
I could tell an inexperienced navigator/laptop operator enough to get
the menus visible and prompt them through anything if they could not
figure it out for themselves.
And I did that, in motor vehicles, numerous times. I was a strong
proponent of the SA 5 through 9 series, I know 20-30 people that bought
SA 7, 8 and 9 after seeing demos of it in use and hearing my praise of it.
About the only thing I could not do with hot keys was move the mouse
cursor around, click on things, and bring up the right click menu to
place via points and destinations. And that was okay because the only
time I ever wanted to do those things was when I was not driving and was
planning routes.
With the first release of SA 200x, you simply could not use the program
without moving the cursor. Have you ever tried to use a cursor in a
moving vehicle? It was dangerous!
I'm not mad at you, DeLorme, or anyone else. This is just a discussion
and it is okay if we disagree.
Jack
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Dan Lawyer
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:squdnRsCMvGKzBPeRVn-pQ@adelphia.com...
| Quote: | Dan Lawyer wrote:
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The SA# interface won't ever be back, so don't wait for it.
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If I were DeLorme, and you were an employee, I'd tell you to quit saying
that. It insults or alienates potential customers. If people told me
they wanted the program to have a Windows CUA GUI, I would say thanks for
your input and salt it away in memory. If I heard enough people say they
wanted it, I'd would consider developing one.
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They won't tell me that because it's the same thing they say, and the years
gone by without going back, proves it. I've convinced dozens of folks to
stick with the interface for a while and they would learn to love it. Most
all of them that have told me later that they wished they hadn't waited so
long to try it.
| Quote: | I am talking about the concept of hitting the Alt key and then a letter
key (Alt f for the File menu as an example) to use the pop down menus? Off
the top of my head, I can't think of a single Windows application that I
have used recently that does not have that capability. I can't think of
one on my computer that does not have it.
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These are the keyboard shortcuts that are in
SA9...............................................................
The PAGE UP key zooms out one magnitude. The PAGE DOWN key zooms in one
magnitude. The HOME key zooms out four magnitudes.
The following is a list of function keys and their shortcuts. That's all
there was other than the arrow and page up/down keys.
F1-Help topics
F2-Tutorials
F3-Clear draw objects
F4-Locate by area code and exchange
F5-Locate by ZIP Code
F6-Locate by placename
F7-Locate by address
F9-Map legend
F10-Draw functions
F11-Show/hide route directions
F12-Start GPS tracking
Almost all of these have been available since the first release of SA200x
and in Deluxe and SA Warrior, the first SA version with the new interface,
which actually has been around since the first version of Topo USA in the
late
90's.....................................................................
Shortcut key(s)Action
F1View the online Help topics
F4Select/clear the Microphone check box on the Voice tab
F5Next turn? (voice navigation)
F7 Are we there yet? (voice navigation)
F8 Where am I? (voice navigation)
F9 Next stop (voice navigation)
F10 Resize the tab area to its default
F11 Pick up the top corner between overview map and the tab for resizing
F12 Get focus to map
CTRL+TAB Tab forward through the tabs
CTRL+SHIFT+TAB Tab backward through the tabs
CTRL + F5 Show next turn (voice navigation)
CTRL+ F9 Show next (voice navigation)
CTRL + F7 Show finish (voice navigation)
CTRL + F8 Directions (voice navigation)
CTRL + B Break line object
CTRL + C Copy selected text in text field or query results list; copy
selected draw object
CTRL + D Voice navigation on/off (voice navigation)
CTRL + E Be quiet (voice navigation)
CTRL + GStart/stop GPS (GPS command)
CTRL + P Print map at current layout
CTRL + S Save current Map File
CTRL + V Paste copied text into selected text field in the tab area or
MapNote on the map; paste copied draw object over the original one
CTRL + WT oggle auto pan on/off (GPS command)
CTRL + XCut selected text; cut selected draw object
CTRL + Z Undo/redo text edit; undo/redo drawing line or polygon object
ALT + F1 Opens the Help menu
ALT + F4 Closes the application
ALT + F5 Show next turn (voice navigation)
ALT + F7 Show finish (voice navigation)
ALT + F9 Center on next stop (voice navigation)
If the focus is on the map (F12) the ALT key can be eliminated....
ALT + LEFT ARROW Pan the map left
ALT + RIGHT ARROW Pan the map right
ALT + UP ARROW Pan the map up
ALT + DOWN ARROW Pan the map down
ALT + PAGE DOWN Zoom the map in
ALT + PAGE UP Zoom the map out
SHIFT+TAB Go back through the controls on the tab
In SA2006 they gave us the Assignable Keyboard shortcuts options that I've
pushed for the last few years plus they added a lot of toggle on/off
commands that can be assigned to keys. You can even create multiple shortcut
schemes, say one for using with the GPS and one with completely different
assignments when your just planning stuff. See the screenshot I did here.
http://forum.delorme.com/viewtopic.php?t=4150&highlight=keyboard+shortcuts |
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Kevin W. Miller
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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"Dan Lawyer" <dlawyer@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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In SA2006 they gave us the Assignable Keyboard shortcuts options that
I've pushed for the last few years plus they added a lot of toggle
on/off commands that can be assigned to keys. You can even create
multiple shortcut schemes, say one for using with the GPS and one
with completely different assignments when your just planning stuff.
See the screenshot I did here.
http://forum.delorme.com/viewtopic.php?t=4150&highlight=keyboard+shortcuts
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I looked but didn't find the screenshot.
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