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Jack Erbes
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:
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Dan Lawyer wrote:
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| Quote: | These are the keyboard shortcuts that are in
SA9...............................................................
snip incomplete list of keyboard shortcuts |
That is not all of them. You have to add in the key combos that came
along with the Windows CUA. Every menu on the menu bar at the top had a
hot key. The menu choices then were File, Edit, Find, View, Plan Route,
GPS, Online, and Help. Alt and the first letter of any one of those
titles would activate the menu bar.
Every command or setting under every one of those menus had a hot key.
For flyout menus, brought up by a first key stroke, the commands or
settings on the flyout also all had hot keys.
The hot key sequences were self prompting (menus and submenus displayed)
and nearly all were easy to remember because of the mnemonics of them
(example Alt V D = "V"iew route "D"etails) .
Here are some of the hot keys combos that I used most frequently with SA
9 (these are all strings of non case sensitive single key taps, none of
the keys had to be held down as other keys were pressed):
View menu:
Alt V D = view Route Directions
Alt V P = view POI
Plan Route menu:
Alt P C = Calculate Route (Q, S, P, C, A selected quickest, shortest,
preferred, scenic, or automatic)
Alt P M = Manage route (P, S, U, R selected preferences for route,
speed, urban speed, and reversed the current route)
GPS menu:
Alt G I = initialize GPS
Alt G T = start tracking
Alt G S = stop tracking
Alt G M = monitor GPS status
Alt G R = track to log
Alt G V = voice navigation on/off toggle
Alt G K = and then C, R, F = speak current direction, road, distance to
finish
Alt G A = automatic pan on/off toggle
And, of course, the PgUp, PgDn, and arrow keys were also frequently used.
By a quick and rough count there were more than fifty hot key combos,
some duplicated the Function keys you listed. I did not use the
Function keys much because the mnemonics in the hot key combos made them
easier to remember.
The Help file that came with SA 9 was not a benchmark for completeness
or quality, it makes no mention of hot keys, it lists only the Function
keys as keyboard shortcuts. Maybe the DeLorme programmers were not
aware of the Windows CUA. :>)
As most Windows users know, when a menu choice has a letter underlined,
that, after an Alt key tap, is a hot key.
You can imagine my dismay when I found the first SA 200x release I
bought had rendered it nearly useless in a moving vehicle. I gave that
away and went back to using SA 9. I bought either one or two subsequent
versions of SA 200x and returned them.
| Quote: | Almost all of these have been available since the first release of SA200x
and in Deluxe and SA Warrior, the first SA version with the new interface,
which actually has been around since the first version of Topo USA in the
late
90's.....................................................................
Shortcut key(s)Action
snip details |
So it appears that much of the hot key functionality has returned or
that I can return it myself or put back things I consider to be missing.
They look to be slightly clumsier and less intuitive in use but I
would have to try it out to tell for sure.
I recently got my more or less annual "good deals for regular customers"
offer from DeLorme, maybe I'll give SA 2006 another try. And in the
process, I'll also compare it to Streets & Trips 2006 and see how both
of those compare. I'd like to compare the quality of the mapping data
if nothing else. The NavTeq data in the M$ package is very good.
I tried that link but the link to the screen shot is not active. I
tried it in both mozilla and IE. Not sure if the problem is on the
forum or with the link.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
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Dan Lawyer
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
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It may be that you have to be a forum member to see the screenshots. Doesn't
cost anything to join.
Still find it hard to understand that you can memorize keyboard shortcut,
but can't deal with the interface or learn new ones that do almost all the
same functions. Your not giving yourself enough credit. Heck, I couldn't
begin to learn all those shortcuts, mouse clicks on what I can see is much
easier. I use the voice commands when I'm driving, so there isn't much I
can't do, that I need to do when I'm tracking a route.
The mapdata in S&T is going to be better in major metro areas, but it's
worse in rural areas. There's no reason you can't use both as lots of
customers do (including myself;>). You can even track your GPS with both
apps at the same time. S&T doesn't have a fraction of the program
functionality that SA has, but it is simpler to use and has the interface
you like.
Dan
"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Dan Lawyer wrote:
snip
These are the keyboard shortcuts that are in
SA9...............................................................
snip incomplete list of keyboard shortcuts
That is not all of them. You have to add in the key combos that came
along with the Windows CUA. Every menu on the menu bar at the top had a
hot key. The menu choices then were File, Edit, Find, View, Plan Route,
GPS, Online, and Help. Alt and the first letter of any one of those
titles would activate the menu bar.
Every command or setting under every one of those menus had a hot key. For
flyout menus, brought up by a first key stroke, the commands or settings
on the flyout also all had hot keys.
The hot key sequences were self prompting (menus and submenus displayed)
and nearly all were easy to remember because of the mnemonics of them
(example Alt V D = "V"iew route "D"etails) .
Here are some of the hot keys combos that I used most frequently with SA 9
(these are all strings of non case sensitive single key taps, none of the
keys had to be held down as other keys were pressed):
View menu:
Alt V D = view Route Directions
Alt V P = view POI
Plan Route menu:
Alt P C = Calculate Route (Q, S, P, C, A selected quickest, shortest,
preferred, scenic, or automatic)
Alt P M = Manage route (P, S, U, R selected preferences for route, speed,
urban speed, and reversed the current route)
GPS menu:
Alt G I = initialize GPS
Alt G T = start tracking
Alt G S = stop tracking
Alt G M = monitor GPS status
Alt G R = track to log
Alt G V = voice navigation on/off toggle
Alt G K = and then C, R, F = speak current direction, road, distance to
finish
Alt G A = automatic pan on/off toggle
And, of course, the PgUp, PgDn, and arrow keys were also frequently used.
By a quick and rough count there were more than fifty hot key combos, some
duplicated the Function keys you listed. I did not use the Function keys
much because the mnemonics in the hot key combos made them easier to
remember.
The Help file that came with SA 9 was not a benchmark for completeness or
quality, it makes no mention of hot keys, it lists only the Function keys
as keyboard shortcuts. Maybe the DeLorme programmers were not aware of
the Windows CUA. :>)
As most Windows users know, when a menu choice has a letter underlined,
that, after an Alt key tap, is a hot key.
You can imagine my dismay when I found the first SA 200x release I bought
had rendered it nearly useless in a moving vehicle. I gave that away and
went back to using SA 9. I bought either one or two subsequent versions
of SA 200x and returned them.
Almost all of these have been available since the first release of SA200x
and in Deluxe and SA Warrior, the first SA version with the new
interface, which actually has been around since the first version of Topo
USA in the late
90's.....................................................................
Shortcut key(s)Action
snip details
So it appears that much of the hot key functionality has returned or that
I can return it myself or put back things I consider to be missing. They
look to be slightly clumsier and less intuitive in use but I would have to
try it out to tell for sure.
I recently got my more or less annual "good deals for regular customers"
offer from DeLorme, maybe I'll give SA 2006 another try. And in the
process, I'll also compare it to Streets & Trips 2006 and see how both of
those compare. I'd like to compare the quality of the mapping data if
nothing else. The NavTeq data in the M$ package is very good.
You can even create multiple shortcut schemes, say one for using with the
GPS and one with completely different assignments when your just planning
stuff. See the screenshot I did here.
http://forum.delorme.com/viewtopic.php?t=4150&highlight=keyboard+shortcuts
I tried that link but the link to the screen shot is not active. I tried
it in both mozilla and IE. Not sure if the problem is on the forum or
with the link.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
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Jack Erbes
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:
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Dan Lawyer wrote:
| Quote: | It may be that you have to be a forum member to see the screenshots. Doesn't
cost anything to join.
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I logged in (I was already a member) and the two images were then visible.
I tried to save the images and could not, I tried to send myself a link
to them and I could not.
| Quote: | Still find it hard to understand that you can memorize keyboard shortcut,
but can't deal with the interface or learn new ones that do almost all the
same functions.
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I didn't memorize them, I learned them as I used them. The mnemonics
reinforced the learning process. And in reality, anyone that can
remember to touch the Alt key and use the arrow keys could be prompted
through everything else if they remembered none of it. Even my wife,
the world's worst navigator and who also hates computers, used SA 9.
| Quote: | Your not giving yourself enough credit.
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I didn't say I could not learn to use it. After a little further
exploration, I decided I did not want to learn to use it.
I am a consumer, I wanted to let my wallet speak for me. I was hoping
that DeLorme would hear a roar, learn from that, and bring back a
version with a Windows GUI. I started looking for another product at
the same time, I am not shattered because DeLorme ignored the roar
and/or did not see it my way.
My failing may be a narrow focus or even stubbornness. I told myself
that DeLorme had made a mistake and I stubbornly refused to contribute
anything to perpetuating the mistake by adapting myself to it. Had I
not bought the first version from a retailer who would not accept
returns, I would have returned it. I did send DeLorme an email with my
opinion of their new software, that was never acknowledged.
| Quote: | Heck, I couldn't
begin to learn all those shortcuts,...
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Now you are not giving yourself enough credit. And you are overstating
the difficulty.
| Quote: | ..mouse clicks on what I can see is much
easier. I use the voice commands when I'm driving, so there isn't much I
can't do, that I need to do when I'm tracking a route.
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And a need to make mouse clicks in a moving vehicle were exactly what
drove me away from SA 200x! It was unsafe to use! Beyond that, it was
nearly impossible to accomplish with any precision or speed (using an
keyboard embedded HID and a track pad).
And I tried a couple of non-driving/at home sessions of building and
saving routes with SA 200x also. I found the file management system to
be not to my liking also. I could not find a single good reason to keep it.
| Quote: | The mapdata in S&T is going to be better in major metro areas, but it's
worse in rural areas. There's no reason you can't use both as lots of
customers do (including myself;>). You can even track your GPS with both
apps at the same time. S&T doesn't have a fraction of the program
functionality that SA has, but it is simpler to use and has the interface
you like.
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Then the data may be the deciding factor. S&T *is* shallow in features
but they appear to be working on it. I'm building a list of things that
need to be added or fixed already. Now if I can find somewhere at M$ to
send it...
I'm hard of hearing, I make little use of voice navigation because of
that. I don't talk to my laptop either. So I would not use all of the
features.
In the car and on my motorcycle, I've been using Tom Tom 5 on an iPAQ
PDA in the last few months. I might not get much more use out of the
laptop in a vehicle unless I start using the RV more. The laptop is
always along in that and I like the bigger display there as long as I
have an engine cover or nice place to put it.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
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