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Fred J. McCall
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Defense Science Board on future of GPS Reply with quote

fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) wrote:

:"David L. Wilson" <dwilson314@adelphia.net> wrote:
:>
:>"Alex Terrell" <alexterrell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:>news:1133307634.018870.254690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:>> Interesting. The military seem to struggle with jamming. What hope is
:>> there for civilan users?
:>>
:>> Can we have systems critically dependent on GPS / Galileo with the
:>> associated risk of jamming?
:>
:>Do you live where you epect that to be a problem? And where jamming is
:>likely, I think critically dependent civilian systems (if any) are going to
:>have more serious problems.
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:If any? There's already at least one - aircraft autolanding systems.

Which isn't "critically dependent" unless you remove the pilot.

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Dale DePriest
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Defense Science Board on future of GPS Reply with quote

Fred J. McCall wrote:

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Dale DePriest <Dale@gpsinformation.het> wrote:

:Oregon is testing a system where the gas tax is based on miles driven
:rather than gas consumption. This is presumably to encourge gas guzzlers
:and discourage foreign fuel efficient cars like a hybrid.

So folks from out of state don't pay gas taxes?

:Any to get back to the point. It uses a GPS to determine when you leave
:the state so that it won't charge tax on miles driven outside the state
:although it would charge tax on gas purchased outside the state I
:suppose since it reads the mileage the next time you gas up. I am not
:sure how it handles this. Anyway, if it were jammed you would pay more
:taxes.

So they're coming up with a system that requires several hundred
dollars (at least) worth of hardware on each vehicle and EVERY gas
pump to be modified to collect?

This seems just slightly nuts. Cite?

By the way, use Google and an argument of oregon gps tax to find lots of
references including some in CA and other places.

It is all very stupid since it claims to equalize the road maintenance
and then rewards heavy gas guzzling cars. Look like GM could be behind it.

Dale

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Mark McIntyre
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Defense Science Board on future of GPS Reply with quote

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:35:01 GMT, in sci.geo.satellite-nav , Fred J.
McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

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So they're coming up with a system that requires several hundred
dollars (at least) worth of hardware on each vehicle

Bear in mind that a very large percentage of new cars already have GPS
fitted these days.

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and EVERY gas pump to be modified to collect?

You yanks have it easy. How do you think we converted from gallons to
litres a couple of years ago? :-)

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This seems just slightly nuts. Cite?

A similar system has been mooted for the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm

By the way, the tax would probably be collected quarterly or
something, not by collecting it at the pumps.

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Hans-Georg Michna
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Defense Science Board on future of GPS Reply with quote

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:03:42 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote:

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:If any? There's already at least one - aircraft autolanding systems.

Which isn't "critically dependent" unless you remove the pilot.

Fred,

except in fog.

Hans-Georg

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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Defense Science Board on future of GPS Reply with quote

Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:03:42 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote:

:If any? There's already at least one - aircraft autolanding systems.

Which isn't "critically dependent" unless you remove the pilot.

Fred,

except in fog.

Hans-Georg

Which country has approved GPS for even a CAT I precision approach, let
alone CAT III (autoland). I know of none.

Regards,
Jon
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