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thammel1
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Mon May 24, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject:
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::Hello, my name is #$%&*@#:
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::I am living in Darmstadt Germany. I have come from Canada last year
I have lived in Canada for 37 years. I was a Satellite hobbyist an
tested on the DSS system or the Direct TV system. It was what the
called a grey market as Direct TV was not an approved CRTC (Canadia
Radio and Television Corporation) broadcasting company which meant tha
they could not sell their signal to Canadians. So many Canadians bough
Direct TV receivers and received all channels from Direct TV and calle
it (testing). This practice was permitted by the Canadian court
providing it was not sold as a subscription. To get to the point, I wa
wondering if there are similar laws that permit testing of Bskyb i
Germany. Is it regulated? I see many providers selling subscriptions t
Germans via a UK address for a fee. In Canada I was using card writer
and software to update Bin and hex files on H and HU cards for DSS.
still have all my equipment that I used for testing in Canada. Is thi
a common practice in Germany? I have not found any web sites tha
support this here and I fear that it may be illegal? Any informatio
that anyone can give me in this area would be greatly appreciated. I
by chance Bskyb testing is permitted outside of the UK I would b
interested in pursuing this hobby here in Germany and would be happy t
share my knowledge and expertise in Hex file creation and Bin fil
cracking. If it is illegal here just forget it. :
:: :
::Thanks:
::#$%&*@#:
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T. Fink
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Tue May 25, 2004 12:36 am Post subject:
Re: BSkyB in Germany |
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thammel1 wrote:
| Quote: | ::Hello, my name is #$%&*@#::
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::I am living in Darmstadt Germany. I have come from Canada last year.
I have lived in Canada for 37 years. I was a Satellite hobbyist and
tested on the DSS system or the Direct TV system. It was what they
called a grey market as Direct TV was not an approved CRTC (Canadian
Radio and Television Corporation) broadcasting company which meant that
they could not sell their signal to Canadians. So many Canadians bought
Direct TV receivers and received all channels from Direct TV and called
it (testing). This practice was permitted by the Canadian courts
providing it was not sold as a subscription. To get to the point, I was
wondering if there are similar laws that permit testing of Bskyb in
Germany. Is it regulated? I see many providers selling subscriptions to
Germans via a UK address for a fee. In Canada I was using card writers
and software to update Bin and hex files on H and HU cards for DSS. I
still have all my equipment that I used for testing in Canada. Is this
a common practice in Germany? I have not found any web sites that
support this here and I fear that it may be illegal? Any information
that anyone can give me in this area would be greatly appreciated. If
by chance Bskyb testing is permitted outside of the UK I would be
interested in pursuing this hobby here in Germany and would be happy to
share my knowledge and expertise in Hex file creation and Bin file
cracking. If it is illegal here just forget it. ::
:: ::
::Thanks::
::#$%&*@#::
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It would not be illegal here in Germany because BSkyB is not officially
on offer here, but, as far as I know, hacking Sky Digital is not
possible so far.
CU
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the attice of the hoods
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Tue May 25, 2004 2:57 am Post subject:
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BskyB will not sell you a decoder card .if you have not got a uk post coded
address and a uk telephone with telephone uk netwok caller identifacation
But BBC & SKYNews are free to air on the BSKYB satellite, i doubt whether
under eu law picking up FTA signals from one EU country to another would be
illegal.The UK can only ban decoder cards some channels in the uk from
germany/france under its obsentity laws
( NB Gordon Brown the Chancellor of the exchequer was reported to have
watched the Scotland football team on a BSKYB receiver at a freinds house in
italy during a G7 sumit...no tabloid press saying he watched it illegley...
even though the BSKYb card would have been regisitered in England)
you can pick a cheep Amstrad DRX100 up on ebay.co.uk for 50 euros gives
about 60 FTA chanhnels mainly shopping, but decoder cards are not cheep and
in breach of BSKYB rules
"thammel1" <thammel1.16r6r1@timelimit.satellites.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0259878de8cfde08c91dddf2ba9e744f@news.teranews.com...
| Quote: | ::Hello, my name is #$%&*@#::
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::I am living in Darmstadt Germany. I have come from Canada last year.
I have lived in Canada for 37 years. I was a Satellite hobbyist and
tested on the DSS system or the Direct TV system. It was what they
called a grey market as Direct TV was not an approved CRTC (Canadian
Radio and Television Corporation) broadcasting company which meant that
they could not sell their signal to Canadians. So many Canadians bought
Direct TV receivers and received all channels from Direct TV and called
it (testing). This practice was permitted by the Canadian courts
providing it was not sold as a subscription. To get to the point, I was
wondering if there are similar laws that permit testing of Bskyb in
Germany. Is it regulated? I see many providers selling subscriptions to
Germans via a UK address for a fee. In Canada I was using card writers
and software to update Bin and hex files on H and HU cards for DSS. I
still have all my equipment that I used for testing in Canada. Is this
a common practice in Germany? I have not found any web sites that
support this here and I fear that it may be illegal? Any information
that anyone can give me in this area would be greatly appreciated. If
by chance Bskyb testing is permitted outside of the UK I would be
interested in pursuing this hobby here in Germany and would be happy to
share my knowledge and expertise in Hex file creation and Bin file
cracking. If it is illegal here just forget it. ::
:: ::
::Thanks::
::#$%&*@#::
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Jomtien
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Tue May 25, 2004 10:11 am Post subject:
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thammel1 wrote:
| Quote: | To get to the point, I was
wondering if there are similar laws that permit testing of Bskyb in
Germany. Is it regulated? I see many providers selling subscriptions to
Germans via a UK address for a fee. In Canada I was using card writers
and software to update Bin and hex files on H and HU cards for DSS. I
still have all my equipment that I used for testing in Canada.
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You can use official cards and boxes anywhere in the EU to receive any
channels though the broadcaster may choose not to knowingly sell a
subscription outside their own country. No one will ever be prosecuted
for using an official sub in the wrong part of the EU.
AFAIK there are currently no EU laws that directly prohibit the
reception of scrambled channels without an official card if there is
no financial gain involved. Tinkering is also not prohibited. Some
individual countries may have more strict rules but AFAIK Germany is
not one of them. Such rules are almost never applied if financial gain
is not involved. Application of such rules in the absence of financial
gain is probably contrary to EU law.
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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
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Hamish
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Wed May 26, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject:
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"Jomtien" <jomtien@the.beach> wrote in message
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| Quote: | thammel1 wrote:
.. Tinkering is also not prohibited. |
But it will be. There are moves afoot to ban the use of any manufactured
item in a way not expressly expressly permitted by the manufacturer of that
item.
THis interestingly will make patents impossible within the EC since by
definition novell use will be banned. |
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YG
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Fri May 28, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject:
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What you experienced in Canada is exactly what happens here in Europe, i.e
it's impossible for German, French or any nationals to subscribe to Sky but
as Sky send their signal everywhere you are entitled to decode it, nothing
illegal there.
On the other hand, if a British citizen made available smart cards or sold
them, when he could subscribe then he/she would be breaking the law.
Cheers
PS: Many expats would love to see somebody offering such knowledge but might
create problems for everybody using an authorised subscription using a
foreign credit card (which is accepted by Sky at the moment!)
Ian
"thammel1" <thammel1.16r6r1@timelimit.satellites.co.uk> a écrit dans le
message de news:0259878de8cfde08c91dddf2ba9e744f@news.teranews.com...
| Quote: | ::Hello, my name is #$%&*@#::
:: ::
::I am living in Darmstadt Germany. I have come from Canada last year.
I have lived in Canada for 37 years. I was a Satellite hobbyist and
tested on the DSS system or the Direct TV system. It was what they
called a grey market as Direct TV was not an approved CRTC (Canadian
Radio and Television Corporation) broadcasting company which meant that
they could not sell their signal to Canadians. So many Canadians bought
Direct TV receivers and received all channels from Direct TV and called
it (testing). This practice was permitted by the Canadian courts
providing it was not sold as a subscription. To get to the point, I was
wondering if there are similar laws that permit testing of Bskyb in
Germany. Is it regulated? I see many providers selling subscriptions to
Germans via a UK address for a fee. In Canada I was using card writers
and software to update Bin and hex files on H and HU cards for DSS. I
still have all my equipment that I used for testing in Canada. Is this
a common practice in Germany? I have not found any web sites that
support this here and I fear that it may be illegal? Any information
that anyone can give me in this area would be greatly appreciated. If
by chance Bskyb testing is permitted outside of the UK I would be
interested in pursuing this hobby here in Germany and would be happy to
share my knowledge and expertise in Hex file creation and Bin file
cracking. If it is illegal here just forget it. ::
:: ::
::Thanks::
::#$%&*@#::
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