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Michelle Steiner
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject:
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In article <1107069799.006352.3960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you kidding me? How my program works is EVERYTHING about what
we've been talking about. For you to interface with my program, you
MUST know how my program works. You want the "how" to be public
knowledge.
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That is just plain idiotic. I don't need to know anything about how
your program works in order to read the data. If I wanted to create
graphs from the data your program stored, I don't need to know how you
generated the data; all I need to be able to do is read the data from
the files.
| Quote: | and you can't extract snippets under the "fair use" doctrine, why
them fair use is nullified.
What "snippets"? The license is clear that you must keep the program
intact.
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Data! 30 seconds of the music; 15 seconds of the video; a few
paragraphs of the book.
We're talking about copyright law in case you forgot.
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Michelle Steiner
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:
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In article
<bearclaw-2DA77A.22241129012005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
| Quote: | Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
No, it's:
Guns don't kill people...it's them little hard things inside the
guns.
Actually, it's the tissue damage them little things do.
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Did you say "tissue"? God bless; here's a hankie.
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Gary J. Tait
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:
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On 29 Jan 2005 09:56:32 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
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It's impossible to make it impossible. Every copy protection scheme
can and will always be crackable.
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The point of the DMCA is to make it a tort, or criminal offense to do
that. |
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Gary J. Tait
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:50:29 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1107022052.172516.46890@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Technology doesn't illegally distribute content; people illegally
distribute content.
Yeah, and we're trying to stop people from creating technologies that
are used to steal.
And the hell with all the legitimate uses that those technologies can be
used for.
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Yes, if the theft with that technology is, or potentially could be
aproblem.
| Quote: | Screw the consumers; their only purpose is to pay every cent you can
squeeze out of them. |
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keith
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:34:53 -0500, Jeff Rife wrote:
| Quote: | (Alan Moorman@visi.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
Devices don't steal intellectual property; people steal intellectual
property.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
No, it's:
Guns don't kill people...it's them little hard things inside the guns.
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Guns just make 'em go faster. |
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Michelle Steiner
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:
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In article <pan.2005.01.30.16.54.29.32332@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
| Quote: | Guns don't kill people...it's them little hard things inside the
guns.
Guns just make 'em go faster.
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Guns can make people go faster too (in at least three senses of the
word "go.")
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keith
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:14:54 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <pan.2005.01.30.16.54.29.32332@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
Guns don't kill people...it's them little hard things inside the
guns.
Guns just make 'em go faster.
Guns can make people go faster too (in at least three senses of the
word "go.")
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Larry Bud
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject:
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1107070093.029702.22770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michelle, you have a perfect opportunity here. Start a software
company whose mission is to create a environment that allows for
unlimited backups of your software. You'll be so popular that
you'll
drive all these other companies out of business. What are you
waiting for?
For you to start making sense.
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I thought putting an effort into spending money on R&D, programmers,
etc would be too much for you. Just like a liberal, always easier to
rob others than to be productive yourself. |
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Larry Bud
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject:
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1107070927.362271.121740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Like Compaq did with IBM? If someone can reverse engineer your
software without decompiling it and without resource to the
source
code, access to proprietary information, etc., there's nothing
illegal about doing that.
Of course it certainly could be illegal. It depends on what is
patented. Just because you don't have the source code doesn't mean
you couldn't figure out the method of the application. Since I'm
in
plastics I'll give you an exmaple. If we develop a program which
determines, given an injection mold, the best locations for
injection, and you reverse engineering the program (without source
code or decompiling), and you come up with the formula we used to
figure out those injection mold locations, and then use that
formula
we developed in your own application, you certainly could be (and
should be) in violation of the patent.
Apples and oranges. In the case of software, the code is copyright,
not
patented.
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Wanna make a bet? I can have both a patent of a technology and use
that technology in a program which has a copyright. |
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Gary J. Tait
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject:
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:39:23 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Of course it certainly could be illegal. It depends on what is
patented. Just because you don't have the source code doesn't mean
you couldn't figure out the method of the application. Since I'm
in
plastics I'll give you an exmaple. If we develop a program which
determines, given an injection mold, the best locations for
injection, and you reverse engineering the program (without source
code or decompiling), and you come up with the formula we used to
figure out those injection mold locations, and then use that
formula
we developed in your own application, you certainly could be (and
should be) in violation of the patent.
Apples and oranges. In the case of software, the code is copyright,
not
patented.
Wanna make a bet? I can have both a patent of a technology and use
that technology in a program which has a copyright.
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Patents and copyrightserve different purposes though.
Depending on your patent, Patent law prevents from me writing software
that works like yours (good patent), or that broadly does what your
software does (bad patent), or some point in between.
Copyright law on the other had, prevents me from including,
individually selling, or giving away, installing on more seats
licensed for, your software without an agreement to do so. |
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Michelle Steiner
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Endangered Gizmos List |
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In article <1107178551.581538.68800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Michelle, you have a perfect opportunity here. Start a software
company whose mission is to create a environment that allows for
unlimited backups of your software. You'll be so popular that
you'll drive all these other companies out of business. What are
you waiting for?
For you to start making sense.
I thought putting an effort into spending money on R&D, programmers,
etc would be too much for you. Just like a liberal, always easier
to rob others than to be productive yourself.
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Oh, so that's it; a right winger who believes that people don't have any
rights, thinks that anything a business does or says to further its
profits is perfectly acceptable, and who throws out facts and logic when
they do not support his preconceived notions.
Get back to me when you're interested in, and capable of, honest
discourse.
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Larry Bud
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Endangered Gizmos List |
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1107178551.581538.68800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michelle, you have a perfect opportunity here. Start a
software
company whose mission is to create a environment that allows
for
unlimited backups of your software. You'll be so popular that
you'll drive all these other companies out of business. What
are
you waiting for?
For you to start making sense.
I thought putting an effort into spending money on R&D,
programmers,
etc would be too much for you. Just like a liberal, always easier
to rob others than to be productive yourself.
Oh, so that's it; a right winger who believes that people don't have
any
rights,
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Oh you have rights. But you don't have a right to steal other people
property.
Let me know when you start up your own software company so I can rip
you off, I mean "backup" my software. |
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Jeff Rife
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:30 am Post subject:
Re: Endangered Gizmos List |
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Larry Bud (larrybud2002@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
| Quote: | Oh you have rights. But you don't have a right to steal other people
property.
Let me know when you start up your own software company so I can rip
you off, I mean "backup" my software.
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Backing up software does *not* "rip off" the company that made the software.
I use various copy-protection tools to make images of my game CDs so that
I can protect the $50 investment. This is especially helpful when you find
out that sometimes as little as 5 years after a game is introduced, you
cannot buy it new because it isn't being manufactured anymore.
It also makes my life less painful because I don't have to have the game
disk in the drive when I play.
Yet, no company has suffered because of my actions, since every original
disk is sitting on the shelf behind me.
I'm all for people protecting their intellectual property, but when it stops
being "protection" and starts being "annoying for no reason" (sort of like
you), then it's time to try and legislate against those kind of actions.
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Michelle Steiner
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:15 am Post subject:
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In article <1107539678.984323.52600@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Oh, so that's it; a right winger who believes that people don't
have any rights,
Oh you have rights. But you don't have a right to steal other people
property.
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Backing up is not stealing, no matter how long you bleat that it is.
| Quote: | Let me know when you start up your own software company so I can rip
you off, I mean "backup" my software.
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Yeah, I'm sure that you would steal it; you strike me as being that kind
of self-serving person who would rationalize whatever he wants to do.
But I retired from software development four years ago; in fact, I
retired from the workplace completely at that time. No, I didn't have
my own company; I worked for some major software companies as well as
some startups--and every product we developed allowed the customer to
maintain backups of the software so that in case of a failure, he would
be able to continue his work.
What happens if one of your customers has his original installation
disks damaged? You charge him for a new product? Do you put code in
your software so that when he backs up his hard disks, the software
won't run when he re-installs the backup?
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