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Chris Lipscombe
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:00 am Post subject:
Canadian GPS |
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I currently own a Garmin GPS V and I am looking to update.
Features I am looking for:
- Large Colour Display
- Full Street Level Map Detail of Canada, not just metro area's (I am happy
with the coverage of Garming MapSource v6)
- Full North America Map Unlock
- Expandable Memory
- Hopefully, a method to install a mount permanently in the vehicle (even a
separate order mount). A mount that could be permanently hooked into the
vehicles electrical system but still have the gps unit itself detachable for
theft protection. I hate cigarette lighter cords running across my dash and
ugly window mounts.
Considering:
Garmin c320, when it is released. It sounds pretty close to what I am
looking for and I know what to expect with their map coverage.
Magellin Roadmate 300. Display looks great but their website says they only
have limited Canadian coverage. I thought they Magellan and Garming got
their maps from the same place?
TomTom Go
Question:
With SD card units, can I later change my SD card? i.e. upgrade from a 128
meg card to a 512 meg card? Or am I looking at some sort of licening
issues?
Thanks for any input.
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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personally i doubt if you can fulfil all the conditions listed below
unless you are willing to pay can$1,500 for a 2620
| Quote: | I currently own a Garmin GPS V and I am looking to update.
Features I am looking for:
- Large Colour Display |
- Full Street Level Map Detail of Canada, not just metro area's (I am
happy
with the coverage of Garming MapSource v6)
- Full North America Map Unlock
- Expandable Memory
| Quote: | - Hopefully, a method to install a mount permanently in the vehicle
(even a
separate order mount). A mount that could be permanently hooked into
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vehicles electrical system but still have the gps unit itself
detachable for
| Quote: | theft protection. I hate cigarette lighter cords running across my
dash and |
ugly window mounts.
| Quote: | Considering:
Garmin c320, when it is released. It sounds pretty close to what I am
looking for and I know what to expect with their map coverage. |
it is nowhere close to what you would need
it only accepts standard Garmin data cards and pre-programmed data
cards
i suggest you check the price of a 512 mb garmin card
| Quote: | Magellin Roadmate 300. Display looks great but their website says
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have limited Canadian coverage. I thought they Magellan and Garming
got
| Quote: | their maps from the same place?
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it is only pre-loaded with major roads only
it says it has sd card expension
i really doubt they allow you to put in a new 1 G sd card ($79 at
newegg.com) in it fully loaded with map - there is a big catch
somewhere
very likely they have limitation on the hardware side
| Quote: | Question:
With SD card units, can I later change my SD card? i.e. upgrade from
a 128
eg card to a 512 meg card? Or am I looking at some sort of licening
issues?
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there is not much of a licence issue in here
it only boils down that they need to sell you more full price unit
like 2620 or roadmate 700
daniel |
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Peter
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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dtong22@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | personally i doubt if you can fulfil all the conditions listed below
unless you are willing to pay can$1,500 for a 2620
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The 2610 plus a 2GB Compact Flash card would be both cheaper
and better:
- more rugged, especially against vibration
- you'd also have the software to use on your PC for trip planning
- you'd also have a second unlock you could use with a handheld Garmin
for walking and other applications.
Only disadvantage is the one-time loading of maps onto the CF card
and at least one Garmin dealer offers to do that for his customers
free of charge.
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| Quote: | Considering:
Garmin c320, when it is released. It sounds pretty close to what I am
looking for and I know what to expect with their map coverage.
it is nowhere close to what you would need
it only accepts standard Garmin data cards and pre-programmed data
cards
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Not according to the spec sheets which indicate it takes industry
standard SD memory cards, not the Garmin format.
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i suggest you check the price of a 512 mb garmin card
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Somewhat hard to do since they don't exist and irrelevant since the
model mentioned doesn't use them.
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Magellin Roadmate 300. Display looks great but their website says
they only
have limited Canadian coverage. I thought they Magellan and Garming
got
their maps from the same place?
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Both are based on NavTeq maps (although Garmin also has DMTI Canadian
maps available). Nevertheless, the coverage area can vary. For
example, Garmin has much better coverage of Alaska on their NavTeq
based CitySelect maps than Magellan does with their NavTeq-based
DirectRoute ones. |
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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| Quote: | Considering:
Garmin c320, when it is released. It sounds pretty close to what I am
looking for and I know what to expect with their map coverage.
it is nowhere close to what you would need
it only accepts standard Garmin data cards and pre-programmed data
cards
Not according to the spec sheets which indicate it takes industry
standard SD memory cards, not the Garmin format. |
Yes. I know the spec states that it is a standard one. But the gps may
(just may) load 150 mb only. Mind you about the micky mouse computing
power of the gps itself . Its computing power is likely equivalent to
that of an AT.
| Quote: | i suggest you check the price of a 512 mb garmin card
Somewhat hard to do since they don't exist and irrelevant since the
model mentioned doesn't use them.
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I know it is not there. Nowaday you need 1/2 G of map memory minimum
to cover area that you may travel to (without loading another set of
data).
I have a generic 1 G sd card with almost 1/2 of the continent map
loaded .
Daniel |
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Peter
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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dtong22@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Considering:
Garmin c320, when it is released. It sounds pretty close to what I am
looking for and I know what to expect with their map coverage.
it is nowhere close to what you would need
it only accepts standard Garmin data cards and pre-programmed data
cards
Not according to the spec sheets which indicate it takes industry
standard SD memory cards, not the Garmin format.
Yes. I know the spec states that it is a standard one.
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Then why did you state above that it takes only Garmin data cards
and pre-programmed data cards when in fact it takes neither of
those?
| Quote: | But the gps may
(just may) load 150 mb only. Mind you about the micky mouse computing
power of the gps itself . Its computing power is likely equivalent to
that of an AT.
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Highly unlikely since it shares a platform with the 330 that has an
internal 1.5 GB database, so there would be no reason for any 150 MB
limitation (and no one makes 150 MB memory sizes anyway).
You continue to speculate about things that you obviously don't know
anything about.
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i suggest you check the price of a 512 mb garmin card
Somewhat hard to do since they don't exist and irrelevant since the
model mentioned doesn't use them.
I know it is not there.
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So why ask someone to check the price?
| Quote: | Nowaday you need 1/2 G of map memory minimum
to cover area that you may travel to (without loading another set of
data).
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Surely that depends on the travel needs of the individual and can't
be categorically stated. |
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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| Quote: | But the gps may
(just may) load 150 mb only. Mind you about the micky mouse
computing
power of the gps itself . Its computing power is likely equivalent
to
that of an AT.
Highly unlikely since it shares a platform with the 330 that has an
internal 1.5 GB database, so there would be no reason for any 150 MB
limitation (and no one makes 150 MB memory sizes anyway).
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I was referring to Garmin c320 re the original post
Garmins: For budget-conscious users who only require detailed maps for
a limited area, the StreetPilot c320 features an SD card slot, a 128MB
SD card, and MapSource City Select street data on CD-ROM.
If Garmin allows (big if) the SD card to be fully loaded instead of
only limited size, this one should be a good deal. I am more of a
computer person and really have doubt about the computing power and
cache of Garmin c320 (internal memory or buffer) when loading up large
size map.
Also Garmins gives big hint that it is for budget-conscious users.
Give you an example about this memory & comp power limitation: there
are talks about availability of 4G cf memory. People forget that the
cut-off is at the 2 G mark about which the file format has to be FAT 32
instead of FAT 16.
Let us have some report that people can actually load up map size of
that dimension : i doubt Garmins is that generous
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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dtong22@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | If Garmin allows (big if) the SD card to be fully loaded instead of
only limited size, this one should be a good deal. I am more of a
computer person and really have doubt about the computing power and
cache of Garmin c320 (internal memory or buffer) when loading up
large
size map.
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The C330 and C320 are probably based on the same unit and since the
C330 can handle onboard storage for all the North America street maps,
I'm sure the C320 can, too.
| Quote: | Also Garmins gives big hint that it is for budget-conscious users.
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Which is why it comes with a 128MB SD card.
| Quote: | Give you an example about this memory & comp power limitation: there
are talks about availability of 4G cf memory. People forget that the
cut-off is at the 2 G mark about which the file format has to be FAT
32
instead of FAT 16.
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Fine, but Garmin has already stated that the C330 contains ALL the N.A.
maps so unless Garmin has crippled the C320, it should also be able to
address that much space. I mean, they already make the 2610 (which
costs about CAD$100 more than the C320) which people have already been
using them with 2GB cards. IMO, I think the reason for the price
difference and starting capacity difference is because Garmin knows
that are lots of computer-phobic people who would be willing to pay for
a GPS pre-loaded with ALL the maps, rather than figure out how to do it
for themselves.
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Chris Lipscombe
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:58 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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Hello All,
I sent an email to Garmin and received back a rather quick reply. Here is
what they said about the SD Cards:
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Athough there is only one card slot on the c320, you can switch secure
digital (SD) cards. Thus, if you want to load a 256 MB SD card with Canadian
mapping and a 512 MB SD card with United States mapping, you will merely
need to switch the SD card when traveling out of your home area of Canada.
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This sounds to me as if I can download perhaps all of Ontario (roughly 40
meg), and add in maybe western Quebec and some of the northern US around the
great lakes with the included 128 meg. If I plan to travel out of my home
area, then I can fill up another SD card with the appropriate maps and just
switch them as required.
If I am correct, then this is good news. I don't mind switching SD cards if
I leave my home area, and Ontario is a pretty big home area to start with.
If I plan a trip from London Ontario to Florida, or London to Vancouver, I
certainly don't mind switching SD cards once or twice on the way there. (Of
course, I would not be able to auto route the entire trip there). I don't
see a need, for myself, to "require" me to have all of Canada or all of
North America loaded into a lower end GPS such as these Garmins.
Having said that, if I did manage to get my hands on a 1 gig card, I would
not mind having all of Canada loaded at once, or even all of North America
if I managed to grab a SD card big enough in the future - just for
convenience (I understand about the 2 gig limit with Fat mentioned earlier).
Would these GPS units not be able to handle such a large map set on one
memory card?
I had heard that you can only use one SD card with a GPS unit. Maybe it was
a non-garmin unit, I am not sure.
Unfortunately, Garmin also told me that the c320 will not be released until
the end of March, and then the stores would get them anywhere from 15 to 45
days later. This brings the date close to May before I might be able to
pick up this model - I had a trip planned before then I was hoping to have
the GPS for.
I still don't know what I am going to do. I am going to take a trip to
Toronto to a GPS store there and check out a few different models. I can't
seem to find any information on the web of the map detail available with
different GPS manufacturers, and aside from Garmin's response, information
concerning if I can load up different map sets on multiple SD cards and
switch them as necessary.
Thanks all for the comments so far. I still welcome further comments and
suggestions.
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Peter
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:11 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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dtong22@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Chris Lipscombe wrote:
Hello All,
I sent an email to Garmin and received back a rather quick reply.
Here is what they said about the SD Cards:
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Athough there is only one card slot on the c320, you can switch
secure digital (SD) cards. Thus, if you want to load a 256 MB SD card with
Canadian mapping and a 512 MB SD card with United States mapping, you will
merely need to switch the SD card when traveling out of your home area of
Canada.
....
If I am correct, then this is good news. I don't mind switching SD
cards if I leave my home area, and Ontario is a pretty big home area to start
with. If I plan a trip from London Ontario to Florida, or London to
Vancouver, I certainly don't mind switching SD cards once or twice on the way
there.
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This is entirely consistent with the way other Garmin models with
interchangeable memory cards work (such as the SP III, with Garmin
cards, and the 2610/2650 with industry standard cards). So I would
see no reason to doubt the statement from Garmin that the 320 will
work the same way.
| Quote: | Would these GPS units not be able to handle such a large map set on
one memory card?
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I see no reason why they wouldn't. The 320/330 look like they share
the same platform, so I'd expect the 320 to be able to handle just as
large a database - i.e. at least the 1.6 GB required by the current
North American maps, and presumably significantly more to handle future
map improvements.
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I had heard that you can only use one SD card with a GPS unit.
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There hasn't been any such one card limit on previous Garmin models
that use memory cards. I use multiple cards in my eMap and the same
can be done in the whole StreetPilot series whether they use Garmin
cards or standard cards.
| Quote: | Unfortunately, Garmin also told me that the c320 will not be released
until
the end of March
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Why not get a 2610? Seems to meet your needs and is available now.
Remanufactured units carry a regular factory warranty and are
attractively priced. As far as I can see the only thing added
by the 320/330 is the 3D display option which strikes me as a
marketing gimmick rather than something that's really useful.
I wouldn't recommend waiting until just before a big trip to get a
new navigation system. It's best to learn exactly how it works while
you're on familiar territory - use it to get to work, to the grocery
store, etc. and you'll quickly become familiar with it without the
frustration you might run into if you try to use it for the first time
on a trip to a new area.
....
| Quote: | According to Garmin site info, c320 is for budget-conscious users who
only require detailed maps for a limited area, the StreetPilot c320
features an SD card slot, a 128MB SD card, and MapSource City Select
street data on CD-ROM.
For the ultimate out-of-the-box convenience, the StreetPilot c330 comes
pre-loaded with highly detailed MapSource City Select street data. The
database features an industry-leading five million-plus points of
interest-including hotels, restaurants, gas stations, ATMs, and
attractions. (The c320 comes with a 128 MB SD card and a MapSource City
Select CD-ROM for data transfer from a PC via a USB connection.)
If the size limit is extended to 512 or above and with swappable cards
, that (c320) is not limited area at all. Garmin is not known to be
open with the limitation of the lower end products.
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Dtong,
I've bought a variety of Garmin products over the last 6 years and have
never felt that I was misled as to the capabilities in any way. Just
the opposite - in many cases Garmin added new features in free firmware
upgrades that have made their receivers much more versatile than they
were originally advertised to be.
Garmin says larger cards will be supported and that you can swap cards;
their current products already support those capabilities; and there's
no technical reason why the new ones wouldn't as well - in fact they'd
have to be deliberately crippled to avoid it. So why do you continue to
be so skeptical with no evidence to support it?
| Quote: | Likewise Toyota
will not say their Corolla can go off-road for long.
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Nothing wrong with a manufacturer being conservative in their claims.
But it hasn't been a problem for my Corolla being used as my canoe
shuttle vehicle in many off-pavement (and some really off-road)
situations for the last 18 years. It can be kind of humorous
helping a Jeep owner out of the jam they got themselves into.
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BTW, transferring large map data even for ppc format has never been
straightforward.
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But it has been straightforward to load large map databases into
assorted Street Pilot models. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:11 am Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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Chris Lipscombe wrote:
| Quote: | Hello All,
I sent an email to Garmin and received back a rather quick reply.
Here is
what they said about the SD Cards:
----------------------------------------------
Athough there is only one card slot on the c320, you can switch
secure
digital (SD) cards. Thus, if you want to load a 256 MB SD card with
Canadian
mapping and a 512 MB SD card with United States mapping, you will
merely
need to switch the SD card when traveling out of your home area of
Canada.
----------------------------------------------
This sounds to me as if I can download perhaps all of Ontario
(roughly 40
meg), and add in maybe western Quebec and some of the northern US
around the
great lakes with the included 128 meg. If I plan to travel out of my
home
area, then I can fill up another SD card with the appropriate maps
and just
switch them as required.
If I am correct, then this is good news. I don't mind switching SD
cards if
I leave my home area, and Ontario is a pretty big home area to start
with.
If I plan a trip from London Ontario to Florida, or London to
Vancouver, I
certainly don't mind switching SD cards once or twice on the way
there. (Of
course, I would not be able to auto route the entire trip there). I
don't
see a need, for myself, to "require" me to have all of Canada or all
of
North America loaded into a lower end GPS such as these Garmins.
Having said that, if I did manage to get my hands on a 1 gig card, I
would
not mind having all of Canada loaded at once, or even all of North
America
if I managed to grab a SD card big enough in the future - just for
convenience (I understand about the 2 gig limit with Fat mentioned
earlier).
Would these GPS units not be able to handle such a large map set on
one
memory card?
I had heard that you can only use one SD card with a GPS unit. Maybe
it was
a non-garmin unit, I am not sure.
Unfortunately, Garmin also told me that the c320 will not be released
until
the end of March, and then the stores would get them anywhere from 15
to 45
days later. This brings the date close to May before I might be able
to
pick up this model - I had a trip planned before then I was hoping to
have
the GPS for.
I still don't know what I am going to do. I am going to take a trip
to
Toronto to a GPS store there and check out a few different models. I
can't
seem to find any information on the web of the map detail available
with
different GPS manufacturers, and aside from Garmin's response,
information
concerning if I can load up different map sets on multiple SD cards
and
switch them as necessary.
Thanks all for the comments so far. I still welcome further comments
and
suggestions.
Chris.
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According to Garmin site info, c320 is for budget-conscious users who
only require detailed maps for a limited area, the StreetPilot c320
features an SD card slot, a 128MB SD card, and MapSource City Select
street data on CD-ROM.
For the ultimate out-of-the-box convenience, the StreetPilot c330 comes
pre-loaded with highly detailed MapSource City Select street data. The
database features an industry-leading five million-plus points of
interest-including hotels, restaurants, gas stations, ATMs, and
attractions. (The c320 comes with a 128 MB SD card and a MapSource City
Select CD-ROM for data transfer from a PC via a USB connection.)
If the size limit is extended to 512 or above and with swappable cards
, that (c320) is not limited area at all. Garmin is not known to be
open with the limitation of the lower end products. Likewise Toyota
will not say their Corolla can go off-road for long.
Let us wait and see if your positive assumption materialise.
BTW, transferring large map data even for ppc format has never been
straightforward.
Daniel |
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Chris Lipscombe
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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| Quote: | Why not get a 2610? Seems to meet your needs and is available now.
Remanufactured units carry a regular factory warranty and are
attractively priced. As far as I can see the only thing added
by the 320/330 is the 3D display option which strikes me as a
marketing gimmick rather than something that's really useful.
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I am going to head to Radioworld in T.O. on Saturday and I intend to look at
the 2610. I like the fact that the c320 comes with a battery and the
speakers built into the unit itself - that is what caught my attention. I
would like to hard wire the cradle into my car so I don't have the cigarette
lighter adapter wire hanging over the dash.
| Quote: | I wouldn't recommend waiting until just before a big trip to get a
new navigation system. It's best to learn exactly how it works while
you're on familiar territory - use it to get to work, to the grocery
store, etc. and you'll quickly become familiar with it without the
frustration you might run into if you try to use it for the first time
on a trip to a new area.
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I have a GPS V from Garmin, and I am happy with it. I find the track up
display too slow (up to 10 second frame rate) and the limited memory for the
travelling I have do. I do like Garmin, so they are my first choice. But I
have to go with the best device for the limited $$$'s I have.
I had the Quest for a short time, but I brought it back. It was fast, the
track up display was fast, route calculation fast. It had a nice enough
screen, although a little small when mounted to my windshield. The screen
was small, but it was nice to drop it in my pocket when I left the car.
Ultimately, I brought it back because there was no way to sit it on my dash
and run it on battery power for short trips. Did I mention I hate cigarette
lighter adapter wires! I would not be able to run the cigarette light
adapter behind the dash and wire it in permanently because the speaker was
on the cigarette lighter itself.
I like that Garmin comes with MapSource, a mapping application. Does TomTom
Go, Magellan and others do something similar?
Thanks for the info about Garmin and the SD card swapping. I have no reason
to believe they are being misleading in their reply to me if past Garmin
units were unrestricted. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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Chris,
Well. You have been forewarned by Garmin in their site that c320 is
for
BUDGET-CONSCIOUS users who ONLY require detailed maps for a LIMITED
AREA , the StreetPilot c320 features an SD card slot, a 128MB SD card,
and MapSource City Select street data on CD-ROM
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Garmin: c320 is for budget-conscious users who
only require detailed maps for a limited area, the StreetPilot c320
features an SD card slot, a 128MB SD card, and MapSource City Select
street data on CD-ROM.
For the ultimate out-of-the-box convenience, the StreetPilot c330 comes
pre-loaded with highly detailed MapSource City Select street data. The
database features an industry-leading five million-plus points of
interest-including hotels, restaurants, gas stations, ATMs, and
attractions. (The c320 comes with a 128 MB SD card and a MapSource City
Select CD-ROM for data transfer from a PC via a USB connection.)
***************************************************************
You certainly have done your research. If the info that you get from
their email turns out to be true, you have a pleasant surprise/bonus
(for all consumers as well). Let us wait and see.
| Quote: | I like that Garmin comes with MapSource, a mapping application. Does
TomTom
Go, Magellan and others do something similar?
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Mapsource is a variant of data supplied by Navteq . There are at
least 20 others (just for the N A market alone) using the same map
data. I have to say Garmin UGI is outstanding though.
Daniel
Toronto
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Russ
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Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:
Re: Canadian GPS |
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| Chris Lipscombe wrote: | | Quote: | Why not get a 2610? Seems to meet your needs and is available now.
Remanufactured units carry a regular factory warranty and are
attractively priced. As far as I can see the only thing added
by the 320/330 is the 3D display option which strikes me as a
marketing gimmick rather than something that's really useful.
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I am going to head to Radioworld in T.O. on Saturday and I intend to look at
the 2610. I like the fact that the c320 comes with a battery and the
speakers built into the unit itself - that is what caught my attention. I
would like to hard wire the cradle into my car so I don't have the cigarette
lighter adapter wire hanging over the dash.
| Quote: | I wouldn't recommend waiting until just before a big trip to get a
new navigation system. It's best to learn exactly how it works while
you're on familiar territory - use it to get to work, to the grocery
store, etc. and you'll quickly become familiar with it without the
frustration you might run into if you try to use it for the first time
on a trip to a new area.
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I have a GPS V from Garmin, and I am happy with it. I find the track up
display too slow (up to 10 second frame rate) and the limited memory for the
travelling I have do. I do like Garmin, so they are my first choice. But I
have to go with the best device for the limited $$$'s I have.
I had the Quest for a short time, but I brought it back. It was fast, the
track up display was fast, route calculation fast. It had a nice enough
screen, although a little small when mounted to my windshield. The screen
was small, but it was nice to drop it in my pocket when I left the car.
Ultimately, I brought it back because there was no way to sit it on my dash
and run it on battery power for short trips. Did I mention I hate cigarette
lighter adapter wires! I would not be able to run the cigarette light
adapter behind the dash and wire it in permanently because the speaker was
on the cigarette lighter itself.
I like that Garmin comes with MapSource, a mapping application. Does TomTom
Go, Magellan and others do something similar?
Thanks for the info about Garmin and the SD card swapping. I have no reason
to believe they are being misleading in their reply to me if past Garmin
units were unrestricted. |
Chris, I bought the c320 here in Sweden yesterday, it came with a 256mb card. I would assume it could handle larger. I loaded the battery and managed 7 hours, for the money its a good buy.
Regards. |
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Russ
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