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Gary Davis
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:
Missing PBS Feed |
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Could we possibly get back to the issue of discussing the missing PBS
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Valdivar
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed |
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Ok.It's not coming back,so our choices are:
T6-08 PBS/X analog
K3-600 PBS/X DC2 4DTV
T5-600s - NETV,etc
and whatever PBSes one can find on mpeg-2 fta.
"Gary Davis" <gdavisloop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Could we possibly get back to the issue of discussing the missing PBS
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:17:23 -0500, "Valdivar"
<rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Ok.It's not coming back,so our choices are:
T6-08 PBS/X analog
K3-600 PBS/X DC2 4DTV
T5-600s - NETV,etc
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Good succinct answer.
| Quote: | and whatever PBSes one can find on mpeg-2 fta.
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Do any of you know what's available on FTA DVB/Mpeg? E.G., did the DC2
feeds which recently vacated AMC4 show up in DVB there (or elsewhere)? |
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Valdivar
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:18 am Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed |
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www.lyngsat.com
www.satcodx.com
is the place to check
as well as:
www.onsat.com
www.bigdish.info and any satellite programmers sites.
AFAIK,the only PBSes in pmeg-2 fta are on K3 and W7,the alaska mux.
the bottom line is,there is no need to discuss the "missing pbs feed" any
further,because it gone,so we have to just watch other pbses.
<murphy@stallwalt.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:17:23 -0500, "Valdivar"
rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok.It's not coming back,so our choices are:
T6-08 PBS/X analog
K3-600 PBS/X DC2 4DTV
T5-600s - NETV,etc
Good succinct answer.
and whatever PBSes one can find on mpeg-2 fta.
Do any of you know what's available on FTA DVB/Mpeg? E.G., did the DC2
feeds which recently vacated AMC4 show up in DVB there (or elsewhere)?
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Gary Davis
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:
Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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I wrote PBS Satellite through a "feedback form" and this was the
answer I got:
Dear Gary,
You have been and are intercepting feeds intended for PBS stations,
not for the general public. The AMC-1 feeds were recently
re-formatted to make them more useful to our station. They now, like
the AMC-3 feeds, require professional grade IRD equipment in order to
view them: a DVB-compliant receiver that demodulates 8PSK at a symbol
rate of 30Msps.
The PBS feed to the general public is on analog C-band, IA-6
transponder 8.
Sincerely,
PBS Satellite Services
Not really very friendly. PBS has SO many other feeds that really
aren't available to the public, that I figured the W1/600 feed WAS
PBS's public feed, "Welcome to the Future... PBS DIGITAL" and all
that...
Anyway, I'll confirm that the PBS/X feed on K3/600 seems to be the
same thing (K3, btw, is AMC-3 Ku for those with non-4DTV dish movers)
but it does seem to be significantly LOUDER than the W1/600 feed.
Also, Lyngsat says the same transponder has PBSX/West, PBS-U and
PBS-Kids. But I couldn't see these channels with my sidecar. Is
there a "trick" (using a spare satellite designator) to pulling in
these feeds?
Also, Lyngsat says an adjacent transponder has the same feeds in
MPEG2/DVB. Has anyone tried to receive these? My MPEG receiver isn't
connected to Ku... how sweet that the sidecar has a build in
C/Ku-switch and pass-through on both C & Ku -- hooking it up to Ku was
a snap.
--Gary |
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Pseud O. Nym
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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gdavisloop@earthlink.net (Gary Davis) wrote in news:42173219.44375411
@news.west.earthlink.net:
| Quote: | You have been and are intercepting feeds intended for PBS stations,
not for the general public. The AMC-1 feeds were recently
re-formatted to make them more useful to our station. They now, like
the AMC-3 feeds, require professional grade IRD equipment in order to
view them: a DVB-compliant receiver that demodulates 8PSK at a symbol
rate of 30Msps.
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I read this with interest. I thought I may have lost the capability to
receive the PBS feeds on AMC-3 so I just went into my bedroom and checked
them out. They are all still there including:
PBSX-east
PBSX-west
PBS Kids
PBS You
Montana PBS
I am using an older Fortec Lifetime FTA receiver.
Everything is still just like it has been for years. My only problem is
that I sometimes have an intermittent audio dropout that lasts just a
fraction of a second. It doesn't happen very often. I don't know if this
is due to my receiver not being "professional grade IRD equipment". The
Montana PBS feed does not have these intermittent audio dropouts. The PBS
audio is only available as AC3 dolby digital except on Montana PBS which
carries the conventional audio in addition to the AC3 audio.
I call myself a PBSaholic as almost all of my viewing is of PBS
programming, but since I now have an HDTV television I have access to 4
local over-the-air PBS feeds and I don't use the FTA receiver as much as
I once did.
If I lived in the Dallas area, I would have to use satellite more. This
is because everything broadcast over KERA has a large and very annoying
KERA PBS Logo (bug) in the lower-right corner of the screen. If I had to
watch this and some other PBS stations, I would be climbing the walls in
a matter of minutes. The logo on my local PBS stations is not much more
annoying than the one on the satelite feeds.
PON |
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D. Stussy
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Valdivar wrote:
| Quote: | Ok.It's not coming back,so our choices are:
T6-08 PBS/X analog
K3-600 PBS/X DC2 4DTV
T5-600s - NETV,etc
and whatever PBSes one can find on mpeg-2 fta.
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Those on mpeg2-dvb are on T6, ku.
- PBS HD, by itself
- PBS E, PBS W, PBS-kids, and PBS-You, sharing an adjacent transponder.
There used to be a PBS Montana on another nearby transponder, but I think
that's gone. |
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D. Stussy
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Gary Davis wrote:
| Quote: | Also, Lyngsat says the same transponder has PBSX/West, PBS-U and
PBS-Kids. But I couldn't see these channels with my sidecar. Is
there a "trick" (using a spare satellite designator) to pulling in
these feeds?
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I have no problem seeing the feeds on the Ku side of AMC 3 (a.k.a W3; not T6 as
in my prior post), but I have an Integra IT-912S which reports it as QPSK and
AC3 audio. Transponders on 12110 and 12128 MHz for MPEG2-DVB.
| Quote: | Also, Lyngsat says an adjacent transponder has the same feeds in
MPEG2/DVB. Has anyone tried to receive these? My MPEG receiver isn't
connected to Ku... how sweet that the sidecar has a build in
C/Ku-switch and pass-through on both C & Ku -- hooking it up to Ku was
a snap. |
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Bill Jones
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:
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When the AMC-1 feeds went away, I switched to AMC3, and I think I found
everything I had been watching on AMC-1, so I'm confused by the PBS
response, which made it sound like the AMC-3 stuff was gone too, or
perhaps it will soon be gone.
I did notice that the signal strength on AMC-3 seems to be down,
relative to what it had been just a few weeks ago, however in the winter
that can often be due to my banging on my dish to get the ice and snow
off. But anyway, ALL the AMC-3 feeds, both DCII and DVB seem to be intact.
I read on another forum though, that contrary to what the above
mentioned PBS response suggests, that PBS has shiften not to the 8PSK
format, but rather to what they call NGIS (Next Generation
Interconnection System), which is sort of a broadband internet delivery
system. I think the local stations log onto the PBS internet site and
download a program, which might be delivered as an MPG file or something
like that, for playback later. I think the downloading may or may not
be via satellite. So it seems like PBS is indeed serious about
switching to a delivery format which will be difficult or impossible for
TVRO'ers to monitor. On one of the PBS related web pages I googled re
NGIS, it said that PBS's satellite leases were going to expire in 2006,
so we can probably expect them to cut back even further on satellite
feeds a year from now.
Relative to other PBS stations besides the several on DCII, on DVB,
the only one I've watched lately are Montanna PBS on AMC3, which is
pretty good quality, and KUED, Salt Lake City Utah PBS, on AMC-5,
although this is extremely POOR quality, ie lots of digital artifacts.
Anyway, this is depressing, because 95% of my reason for having TVRO
is to get PBS, and they are looking like the future is not bright. |
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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One of the feeds I watched fairly regularly on AMC3 in DC2 FTA was Jack
Horkheimer's "Star Gazer", alias "Star Hustler".
Has anyone found these feeds elsewhere FTA? I can handle either DC2
(obviously) or MPEG/DVB (but not 4:2:2). I can do C and Ku and DVB AC3
audio.
Thx |
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Bill Jones
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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| Quote: | One of the feeds I watched fairly regularly on AMC3 in DC2 FTA was Jack
Horkheimer's "Star Gazer", alias "Star Hustler".
Has anyone found these feeds elsewhere FTA? I can handle either DC2
(obviously) or MPEG/DVB (but not 4:2:2). I can do C and Ku and DVB AC3
audio.
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I'm confused. I don't think any of the AMC3 DCII feeds went away "yet".
I thought it was only the AMC1 feeds that were terminated. My problem
was that I was used to watching a few programs on AMC1, and when that
went away, I had to figure out which channel to find them on AMC3, but I
think I found which was which. However, I do remember a couple
situations in the past where I found feeds on AMC1 that were not found
on AMC3, but I think that in general, 99% of what WAS on AMC1 will be
found on AMC3. |
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Neil Wagner
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:51 am Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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william@sunnydale.com wrote:
| Quote: | One of the feeds I watched fairly regularly on AMC3 in DC2 FTA was Jack
Horkheimer's "Star Gazer", alias "Star Hustler".
Has anyone found these feeds elsewhere FTA? I can handle either DC2
(obviously) or MPEG/DVB (but not 4:2:2). I can do C and Ku and DVB AC3
audio.
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Now available streaming over the internet. http://www.starhustler.com/
Also see Info page on that site for satellite feed info, or check online
schedules of any PBS stations you can receive to see if they show it.
___
Neil |
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:51:50 -0500, Bill Jones <wejones@megalink.net>
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One of the feeds I watched fairly regularly on AMC3 in DC2 FTA was Jack
Horkheimer's "Star Gazer", alias "Star Hustler".
Has anyone found these feeds elsewhere FTA? I can handle either DC2
(obviously) or MPEG/DVB (but not 4:2:2). I can do C and Ku and DVB AC3
audio.
I'm confused. I don't think any of the AMC3 DCII feeds went away "yet".
I thought it was only the AMC1 feeds that were terminated. My problem
was that I was used to watching a few programs on AMC1, and when that
went away, I had to figure out which channel to find them on AMC3, but I
think I found which was which. However, I do remember a couple
situations in the past where I found feeds on AMC1 that were not found
on AMC3, but I think that in general, 99% of what WAS on AMC1 will be
found on AMC3.
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You're not confused. I'm a dimwit... Although I typed AMC3, I was in
fact referring to the missing feeds on AMC4.
Still wondering if those feeds exist in a form receivable by me.
Thanks for the info on the internet feeds of Star Gazer, btw. |
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D. Stussy
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Missing PBS Feed, PBS Response |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Bill Jones wrote:
| Quote: | When the AMC-1 feeds went away, I switched to AMC3, and I think I found
everything I had been watching on AMC-1, so I'm confused by the PBS response,
which made it sound like the AMC-3 stuff was gone too, or perhaps it will soon
be gone.
I did notice that the signal strength on AMC-3 seems to be down, relative to
what it had been just a few weeks ago, however in the winter that can often be
due to my banging on my dish to get the ice and snow off. But anyway, ALL the
AMC-3 feeds, both DCII and DVB seem to be intact.
I read on another forum though, that contrary to what the above mentioned
PBS response suggests, that PBS has shiften not to the 8PSK format, but rather
to what they call NGIS (Next Generation Interconnection System), which is sort
of a broadband internet delivery system. I think the local stations log onto
the PBS internet site and download a program, which might be delivered as an
MPG file or something like that, for playback later. I think the downloading
may or may not be via satellite. So it seems like PBS is indeed serious about
switching to a delivery format which will be difficult or impossible for
TVRO'ers to monitor. On one of the PBS related web pages I googled re NGIS, it
said that PBS's satellite leases were going to expire in 2006, so we can
probably expect them to cut back even further on satellite feeds a year from
now.
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That is quite possible - Internet downloads - as some of my local PBS stations
have had programming on their HD channels OTHER than what was on the satellite
PBS-HD via MPEG2-DVB. I don't have a DCII unit so I can't check that feed.
| Quote: | Relative to other PBS stations besides the several on DCII, on DVB, the
only one I've watched lately are Montanna PBS on AMC3, which is pretty good
quality, and KUED, Salt Lake City Utah PBS, on AMC-5, although this is
extremely POOR quality, ie lots of digital artifacts.
Anyway, this is depressing, because 95% of my reason for having TVRO is to
get PBS, and they are looking like the future is not bright. |
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