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Micro Henry
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Mon May 23, 2005 8:08 am Post subject:
Pioneer DVR-520H High Speed Copy Error |
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My DVR-520H has developed a problem when using High Speed Copying from the
HD to the DVD. This has happened in many copression modes. The one I use
the most is MN7. It will always do realtime copies.
Symptoms.
Record Mode MN7
The hard drive as around 1000Mb or more of 76000Mb of useable storage
space, about 1hr or more at MN7(hard drive is near full).
The file being copied is 500Mb, about 30min
The DVD is new or empty, 4454Mb about 4-1/2 hours at MN7
From the copy menu I select HDD to DVD
Add, the file.
conf list
select High Speed Copy.
Select start
Immediately it starts the copy and then gives up. The Screen displays
"Cannot Complete Copy" The front panel display is: "COPY ERR"
The first time this happened I determined the hard drive may have READ
ERRORs.
I took the 30min file in question and divided it in 2. Found which half
the error is in, divided that in two, etc. I saved a 3min file with the
read error that would not copy. All the division processing was done the in
the EDIT CHAPTER mode of the copy menu. The original file was not
altered.
Once I determined what segment of the file was bad, I used the normal
chapter edit to save only the segment with the error. I locked that file
so I would not be accidentally deleted.
After doing this the problem went away. It has since returned. The file
I experimented with tonight, when divided both halves of the segment that
was defective would copy individually. What a surprise that was! If I
removed the first 20 seconds the entire 30min file would copy. Of the 9
minutte segment with the read error, if I deleted minute 9, that segment
would copy or if I deleted the first 20 seconds it would copy. Weird.
This make it hard to diagnos it as a Read Error. But something in the
file structure is corrupted.
Nowhere in the manual are COPY ERRORS defined, i.e. causes, types,
descriptions.
Is anyone familiar with this unit enough to know if it is
1) Hard drive
2) Firmware
3) Hardware
4) Operator head space
I have hard 30 years in the hard drive industry testing drives. This acts
more like a system problem then a drive problem. But I would NOT rule out
the drive here.
Don't really want to send this in for repair and loose my files.
Most tech guys on the phone either don't understand or recommend sending
it in for repair.
Any help would be appreciated.
uH
PS
Also this unit started getting "REPAIRING DISC" messages during power up
after the first month I had it. The manual says power was cut during
record. This happend 3 to 4 times a week for a couple of months then
stopped. That was definitely a hard drive failure problem, file or
directory structure problems, maybe. I never lost power and I never had
bad files. Don't why this happened or went away. Maybe it can't fix the
problem anymore. |
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Micro Henry
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Mon May 23, 2005 8:08 am Post subject:
Re: Pioneer DVR-520H High Speed Copy Error |
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Ignore this post please.
Wrong NG.
uH |
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NJM1
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Mon May 23, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Pioneer DVR-520H High Speed Copy Error |
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Try this website www.vcdhelp.com
"Micro Henry" <uH@MyServer.Loc> wrote in message
news:Xns965F91E4E5B3MicroHenry@207.217.125.201...
| Quote: | My DVR-520H has developed a problem when using High Speed Copying from the
HD to the DVD. This has happened in many copression modes. The one I use
the most is MN7. It will always do realtime copies.
Symptoms.
Record Mode MN7
The hard drive as around 1000Mb or more of 76000Mb of useable storage
space, about 1hr or more at MN7(hard drive is near full).
The file being copied is 500Mb, about 30min
The DVD is new or empty, 4454Mb about 4-1/2 hours at MN7
From the copy menu I select HDD to DVD
Add, the file.
conf list
select High Speed Copy.
Select start
Immediately it starts the copy and then gives up. The Screen displays
"Cannot Complete Copy" The front panel display is: "COPY ERR"
The first time this happened I determined the hard drive may have READ
ERRORs.
I took the 30min file in question and divided it in 2. Found which half
the error is in, divided that in two, etc. I saved a 3min file with the
read error that would not copy. All the division processing was done the
in
the EDIT CHAPTER mode of the copy menu. The original file was not
altered.
Once I determined what segment of the file was bad, I used the normal
chapter edit to save only the segment with the error. I locked that file
so I would not be accidentally deleted.
After doing this the problem went away. It has since returned. The file
I experimented with tonight, when divided both halves of the segment that
was defective would copy individually. What a surprise that was! If I
removed the first 20 seconds the entire 30min file would copy. Of the 9
minutte segment with the read error, if I deleted minute 9, that segment
would copy or if I deleted the first 20 seconds it would copy. Weird.
This make it hard to diagnos it as a Read Error. But something in the
file structure is corrupted.
Nowhere in the manual are COPY ERRORS defined, i.e. causes, types,
descriptions.
Is anyone familiar with this unit enough to know if it is
1) Hard drive
2) Firmware
3) Hardware
4) Operator head space
I have hard 30 years in the hard drive industry testing drives. This acts
more like a system problem then a drive problem. But I would NOT rule out
the drive here.
Don't really want to send this in for repair and loose my files.
Most tech guys on the phone either don't understand or recommend sending
it in for repair.
Any help would be appreciated.
uH
PS
Also this unit started getting "REPAIRING DISC" messages during power up
after the first month I had it. The manual says power was cut during
record. This happend 3 to 4 times a week for a couple of months then
stopped. That was definitely a hard drive failure problem, file or
directory structure problems, maybe. I never lost power and I never had
bad files. Don't why this happened or went away. Maybe it can't fix the
problem anymore. |
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PodUljin
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 1
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject:
Pioneer copy error |
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Hi.
I have Pioneer DVR-433 HS, and yesterday I encountered the same problem. I went to www.vcdhelp.com, but the only post I found regarding this problem blames the media.
Recorder is only 5 weeks old, and everything worked fine until a week ago, when I made the last successfull copy to DVD. Yesterday I destroyed 5 Traxdata DVD-Rs testing this (and probabily more will follow this afternoon, when I come home from work). From the 1st day I used only Traxdata media, and I had no problems. Destroyed ones are from the spindle which I used a week ago and had no problems.
I've tried recording in HighSpeed and Optimized mode. With Highspeed, I got the same errors as you, after a few minutes of "burning". With Optimized, he burns the DVD (I can see that the bottom of the media is recorded), but DVD isn't readable. I tried with DVD-RW media (also Traxdata, worked fine when I bought the recorder and tested all the functions), and recorder seems to have recorded something, but DVD isn't readable in any other players, and the menu on the DVD looks like the one on the HDD (disc navigator), so I'm not sure where exactly is he reading the title from?
I tried to record different titles from HDD and the result was the same, I don't think that there are errors on 3 different files from HDD.
I got 2 different DVD-R media ("Platinum"), I'll test it this afternoon.
have you tried reseting the recorder? Will the reseting erase titles on HDD?
More news tomorrow... |
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Micro Henry
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Pioneer copy error |
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PodUljin
I will respond to this post in group: rec.video.dvd.players,
where I reposted this problem.
uH
PodUljin wrote:
| Quote: | Hi.
I have Pioneer DVR-433 HS, and yesterday I encountered the same
problem. I went to www.vcdhelp.com, but the only post I found
regarding this problem blames the media.
Recorder is only 5 weeks old, and everything worked fine until a week
ago, when I made the last successfull copy to DVD. Yesterday I
destroyed 5 Traxdata DVD-Rs testing this (and probabily more will
follow this afternoon, when I come home from work). From the 1st day
I used only Traxdata media, and I had no problems. Destroyed ones are
from the spindle which I used a week ago and had no problems.
I've tried recording in HighSpeed and Optimized mode. With Highspeed,
I got the same errors as you, after a few minutes of "burning". With
Optimized, he burns the DVD (I can see that the bottom of the media
is recorded), but DVD isn't readable. I tried with DVD-RW media (also
Traxdata, worked fine when I bought the recorder and tested all the
functions), and recorder seems to have recorded something, but DVD
isn't readable in any other players, and the menu on the DVD looks
like the one on the HDD (disc navigator), so I'm not sure where
exactly is he reading the title from?
I tried to record different titles from HDD and the result was the
same, I don't think that there are errors on 3 different files from
HDD.
I got 2 different DVD-R media ("Platinum"), I'll test it this
afternoon.
have you tried reseting the recorder? Will the reseting erase titles
on HDD?
More news tomorrow...
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