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Jack Zwick
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <4315b55b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 08/30/2005 3:39 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
In article <1125432290.8c7cd3e643488f05bc6cc29600d1e700@teranews>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
On 08/30/2005 2:43 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
In article <dImdnVm0d4YLAYneRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
What "vested" interest will I possibly have?
DTV is going to do the changeouts themselves, I won't be in the loop.
If you think for one second that DTV is going to let paying customers
hanging with no access to the programming with all the competition out
there
you're more clueless than I give you credit for.
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000 units,
you are the one dreaming.
Not a dream at all. Most informed sources believe the upgrade will be
done at a very minimal cost to the subscriber if any all. There will
likely be a 2 year subscription commitment requirement, however. There's
a recent thread (and many others) over on the AVS boards about this.
Nice try. Now produce a URL for your "informed source" - you?
The folks at the AVS boards are all guessing, as am I as DirecTv refuses
to say.
You said it. You're guessing. But, do you really think D* is going to
charge long time customers a large amount and risk loosing those customers?
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With Murdock running the show, they will have a rookie MBA put a pencil
to it and do what is best for them cost wize rather than what you or I
might think logical.
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We're going to find out for sure which way DirecTV is going to go. I'll
'guess' that they require a 2 year commitment and maybe shipping
charges. I 'guess' we'll see who's right soon enough.
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And if they do that you forgot to add the "waiting list" that could be
months or years. |
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Jeff Rife
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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Jack Zwick (jackzwick@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
| Quote: | No, it is not. Digital is the only requirement...not HD.
technically yes, but actually no, as everyone I know of that goes
digital, also goes to HD.
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This goes to show that you know very little about this subject.
In Washington, DC (#8 market in the country), there are 12 digital TV
channels on line. Five of them are SD-only, and only one of the other
7 shows any HDTV that isn't sourced from the network.
This is pretty much typical across the country, although some areas don't
have any passthrough of network HD...they have nothing but SD.
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Jeff Rife |
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SINNER
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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* hasan schiers Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | Kinda
like the ne're-do-well in "My Uncle Vinny" who came from a long
line of arguers in his family, except lacking the endearing
qualities of the Joe Pesci character. More's the pity.
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That's "My COUSIN Vinny". One of my all time favs :)
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David |
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Bob Nielsen
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
| Quote: | In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000 units,
you are the one dreaming.
Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
anywhere near $1000?
With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe you
should subscribe to hi def cable.
I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
all them.
They have said zero publically.
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And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies. |
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Jack Zwick
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <20050831120556.553$Pw@newsreader.com>,
cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:
| Quote: | Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1d7f95591899edde989f63@news.nabs.net>,
Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
Jack Zwick (jackzwick@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Not in DirecTV's eyes. Every single person who told DirecTV "I
want to get HD...what do I need?" was given a 3-LNB dish for free
if they asked for
it, and many were given it even if they weren't.
Because the HD channells require it, not because DTv is being
generous.
Yes, they are being generous. They don't *have* to give away the extra
equipment...they merely choose to do so.
Absolutely HD is different. The broadcasting of all locals was and is
an FCC mandate.
No, it is not. Digital is the only requirement...not HD.
technically yes, but actually no, as everyone I know of that goes
digital, also goes to HD.
Then you never heard of WGGB in Springfield MA.
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Is that the exception that proves the rule?
I like everyone else would love a free upgrade. That by no means assures
it will happen. |
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Jack Zwick
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <4315cedd$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 08/31/2005 10:33 AM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
In article <4315b55b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
On 08/30/2005 3:39 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
In article <1125432290.8c7cd3e643488f05bc6cc29600d1e700@teranews>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
On 08/30/2005 2:43 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
In article <dImdnVm0d4YLAYneRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
What "vested" interest will I possibly have?
DTV is going to do the changeouts themselves, I won't be in the
loop.
If you think for one second that DTV is going to let paying
customers
hanging with no access to the programming with all the competition
out
there
you're more clueless than I give you credit for.
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000
units,
you are the one dreaming.
Not a dream at all. Most informed sources believe the upgrade will be
done at a very minimal cost to the subscriber if any all. There will
likely be a 2 year subscription commitment requirement, however.
There's
a recent thread (and many others) over on the AVS boards about this.
Nice try. Now produce a URL for your "informed source" - you?
The folks at the AVS boards are all guessing, as am I as DirecTv refuses
to say.
You said it. You're guessing. But, do you really think D* is going to
charge long time customers a large amount and risk loosing those
customers?
With Murdock running the show, they will have a rookie MBA put a pencil
to it and do what is best for them cost wize rather than what you or I
might think logical.
We're going to find out for sure which way DirecTV is going to go. I'll
'guess' that they require a 2 year commitment and maybe shipping
charges. I 'guess' we'll see who's right soon enough.
And if they do that you forgot to add the "waiting list" that could be
months or years.
Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
certainly be fitting.
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I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
insults.
I like everyone else would love for Directv to give free upgrades with
the new HD channels. I have seen little evidence yet to guarantee that
happening. |
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Jack Zwick
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:52 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <pan.2005.08.31.17.25.47.5582@removethis.oz.net>,
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000 units,
you are the one dreaming.
Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
anywhere near $1000?
With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe you
should subscribe to hi def cable.
I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
all them.
They have said zero publically.
And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies.
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Thats exactly what they did by pre-announcing the satellite launches the
number of new channels and the number of cities to be covered by
satellite provided HD locals and the order they are coming. |
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Steve M. Mann
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
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| Quote: | Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
certainly be fitting.
I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
insults.
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Now who's slinging personal insults?
I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
prove any of your 'guesses'.
All I did was describe your attitude. Others seem to see you the same way.
| Quote: | I like everyone else would love for Directv to give free upgrades with
the new HD channels. I have seen little evidence yet to guarantee that
happening.
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I have seen little evidence of it not happening. There, now we're even.
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Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann |
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James Himmelman
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jackzwick-B8DA1C.08320331082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com:
| Quote: | I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best
of all them.
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You sure seem to be consumed with this issue in your waking moments.
You say you have "zero idea" what will happen, yet you also seem to have a
compulsion to argue on and on about the subject with anyone who offers his
own guess on what may happen.
You made it quite clear, over and over and over again what you believe WONT
happen, so why not give the subject a rest for a while and lower your blood
pressure a little?
Everyone else's guess is just as good as yours. Stop asking for URL's - as
you have not provided any to back up your quite obvious notion that DTV is
going to stick it to us (reference your plentiful previous posts for your
transparent feelings on the subject). People are free to speculate without
the need to provide URL's. |
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Randy S.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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| Quote: | I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
upgrades.
Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
both ways.
I never said there won't be, I just said you can't say there will be.
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Jack, then just what is your point here? That front-line reps are
clueless? Granted. That no one knows exactly how DTV is going to
handle the switchover? Granted. There's really nothing else to argue
about, everything else is just speculation.
DTV will hand out as little information as they can get away with. The
only thing they will release is glowing reports of how great everything
will be once they switch. Nothing concrete so they can keep everybody
holding their breaths. If they don't tell us what they're going to do,
we can't start complaining about it ahead of time (well, most of us,
anyway).
Randy S. |
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James Himmelman
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jackzwick-5711B0.14424230082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com:
| Quote: | In article <uqednXkS_JcHAIneRVn-iA@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
What I was told is that any ACTIVE HiDef unit will be swapped. SOME
areas will need new dishes -- presumably for hi def locals.
There MAY be a total of five satellite locations that will have to be
accessed by this rumored antenna upgrade.
Anytime I hear such stuff from a DirecTv rep, I ask for it in writing,
and they quickly change the subject.
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Why in the world should they give you that in writing, even if it is the
current plan? |
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Bob Nielsen
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:52:44 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
| Quote: | In article <pan.2005.08.31.17.25.47.5582@removethis.oz.net>,
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000 units,
you are the one dreaming.
Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
anywhere near $1000?
With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe you
should subscribe to hi def cable.
I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
all them.
They have said zero publically.
And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies.
Thats exactly what they did by pre-announcing the satellite launches the
number of new channels and the number of cities to be covered by
satellite provided HD locals and the order they are coming.
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I suspect that the FCC requires that sort of disclosure, whereas equipment
pricing is another matter. Listing the channels and cities may help to
reduce churn (gosh, if I wait long enough, DTV will have HD coverage of my
locals--sorry, Comcast). |
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Jack Zwick
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| Posted:
Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <4315f650$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
[...]
Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
certainly be fitting.
I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
insults.
Now who's slinging personal insults?
I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
prove any of your 'guesses'.
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Calling me Chicken Little is what if not an insult.
I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
upgrades. |
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Jack Zwick
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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In article <pan.2005.08.31.19.28.58.927071@removethis.oz.net>,
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:52:44 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
In article <pan.2005.08.31.17.25.47.5582@removethis.oz.net>,
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000
units,
you are the one dreaming.
Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
anywhere near $1000?
With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe
you
should subscribe to hi def cable.
I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
all them.
They have said zero publically.
And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies.
Thats exactly what they did by pre-announcing the satellite launches the
number of new channels and the number of cities to be covered by
satellite provided HD locals and the order they are coming.
I suspect that the FCC requires that sort of disclosure, whereas equipment
pricing is another matter. Listing the channels and cities may help to
reduce churn (gosh, if I wait long enough, DTV will have HD coverage of my
locals--sorry, Comcast).
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The SEC has even more stringent rules than the FCC, thank you. And
promises of free or reduced price upgrades wouldn't reduce churn???? |
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Steve M. Mann
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| Posted:
Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: New HD channels WILL require new receivers. |
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On 08/31/2005 2:48 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
| Quote: | In article <4315f650$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
[...]
Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
certainly be fitting.
I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
insults.
Now who's slinging personal insults?
I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
prove any of your 'guesses'.
Calling me Chicken Little is what if not an insult.
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I didn't call you Chicken Little. I suggested you might want to consider
that for a 'screen name' based upon the attitude you reflect here.
| Quote: | I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
upgrades.
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Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
both ways.
--
Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann |
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