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marco
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small |
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Java Jive
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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I think he actually means FreeSat, and no it won't be extended soon, because
one of the reasons for the small footprint is that it minimises encroachment
on other people's content copyright claims.
"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:25:55 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com
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is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small
If by Freeview you mean the DVB-T service then the answer is no. There
isn't
even full coverage of the UK & never will be.
http://www.freeview.co.uk/
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Michael Chare
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:25:55 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com> wrote:
is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small
If by Freeview you mean the DVB-T service then the answer is no. There isn't
even full coverage of the UK & never will be.
http://www.freeview.co.uk/
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Also , it is unlikely that they will extend the converage of the Free to Air
satellite footprint. The BBC having reduced the size of the footprint 2 years
ago when they stopped using the Sky encryption. You can get reception in some
parts of Europe.
The good news is that ITV will be FTA in the next few months and there is no
some chnace that CH4 & 5 will follow - See other threads in this ng.
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Walt Davidson
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:25:55 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com>
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| Quote: | is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small
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UK Freeview is not a satellite TV service. It is a digital service
broadcast by terrestrial TV transmitters in the UK.
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Nigel Barker
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:25:55 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com> wrote:
| Quote: | is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small
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If by Freeview you mean the DVB-T service then the answer is no. There isn't
even full coverage of the UK & never will be.
http://www.freeview.co.uk/
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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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Nigel Barker
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:36:22 +0100, "Java Jive" <java@evij.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I think he actually means FreeSat, and no it won't be extended soon, because
one of the reasons for the small footprint is that it minimises encroachment
on other people's content copyright claims.
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That 'small footprint' covers half of Europe. The footprint maps are hopelessly
pessimistic as according to the official Astra map not even a 1.2 dish is
sufficient for the Cote d'Azur
http://www.ses-astra.com/satellites/beam/beamByXpr.php?pos=2&sat=ASTRA+2D&xpr=41,+42,+43,+44,+45,+46,+47,+48,+49,+50,+51,+52,+53,+54,+55,+56
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Nigel Barker
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:38:43 +0100, "Michael Chare"
<MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message
news:tca0i117camfjbsljqdsa7ku3tngcpkkpt@4ax.com...
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:25:55 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com> wrote:
is there any possibility of UK Freeview being made more
widely available to European countries, the present
footprints seem to be too small
If by Freeview you mean the DVB-T service then the answer is no. There isn't
even full coverage of the UK & never will be.
http://www.freeview.co.uk/
Also , it is unlikely that they will extend the converage of the Free to Air
satellite footprint. The BBC having reduced the size of the footprint 2 years
ago when they stopped using the Sky encryption. You can get reception in some
parts of Europe.
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You can get reception in _all_ parts of Europe it just depends how big a dish
you need. The official footprint maps are wildly pessimistic so instead take a
look at real reports of Astra 2D reception
http://www.kingofsat.net/en/beams.php?s=52
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Nigel Barker
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marco
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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it seems to me as if there is some sort of hickup with Astra 2D
as the footprint seems a lot smaller than the other beams, i
assume this is the reason why it cant even reach outside UK.
"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:36:22 +0100, "Java Jive" <java@evij.com> wrote:
I think he actually means FreeSat, and no it won't be extended soon,
because
one of the reasons for the small footprint is that it minimises
encroachment
on other people's content copyright claims.
That 'small footprint' covers half of Europe. The footprint maps are
hopelessly
pessimistic as according to the official Astra map not even a 1.2 dish is
sufficient for the Cote d'Azur
http://www.ses-astra.com/satellites/beam/beamByXpr.php?pos=2&sat=ASTRA+2D&xp |
r=41,+42,+43,+44,+45,+46,+47,+48,+49,+50,+51,+52,+53,+54,+55,+56
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Nigel Goodwin
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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In message <n9Sdnf-9Y_hJrb3eRVnyjA@pipex.net>, Michael Chare
<MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> writes
| Quote: | Also , it is unlikely that they will extend the converage of the Free to Air
satellite footprint. The BBC having reduced the size of the footprint 2 years
ago when they stopped using the Sky encryption. You can get reception in some
parts of Europe.
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The BBC didn't 'reduce' anything, the transponders on Astra 2D were
originally designed to provide a tighter UK specific footprint, and
always have. The ITV channels were already using the 2D satellite, and
the BBC channels simply moved there when they went FTA.
This is likely to be a limiting factor for Freesat channels?, Astra 2D
is probably the only satellite that meets the requirements (so far!). As
far as I'm aware, all capacity is already taken?, so no more channels
can move there.
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Nigel Barker
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:12:15 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com> wrote:
| Quote: | it seems to me as if there is some sort of hickup with Astra 2D
as the footprint seems a lot smaller than the other beams, i
assume this is the reason why it cant even reach outside UK.
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There is no problem with Astra 2D it is more tightly focused on the UK than the
other satellites at 28.*E. However it certainly does reach outside the UK as
even the official footprint maps acknowledge.
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Nigel Barker
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:30:07 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:36:22 +0100, "Java Jive" <java@evij.com> wrote:
I think he actually means FreeSat, and no it won't be extended soon, because
one of the reasons for the small footprint is that it minimises encroachment
on other people's content copyright claims.
That 'small footprint' covers half of Europe. The footprint maps are hopelessly
pessimistic as according to the official Astra map not even a 1.2 dish is
sufficient for the Cote d'Azur
http://www.ses-astra.com/satellites/beam/beamByXpr.php?pos=2&sat=ASTRA+2D&xpr=41,+42,+43,+44,+45,+46,+47,+48,+49,+50,+51,+52,+53,+54,+55,+56
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forgot to mention that actually a 60cm dish works except in very heavy rain.
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marco
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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| Quote: | You can get reception in _all_ parts of Europe it just depends how big a
dish
you need. The official footprint maps are wildly pessimistic so instead
take a
look at real reports of Astra 2D reception
http://www.kingofsat.net/en/beams.php?s=52
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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
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this map seems to paint a different picture compared with the official
Astra 2D footprint. its not fair that so many people are unable to
receive these channels |
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wasted
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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ive lived all over europe and managed to get sky no problem.
e.g when i lived in holland i used an 80cm dish now im in east germany, (on
the czech border) now im using a 1.2m dish and an old grundig dodgybox and
still managing no problem.
"Nigel Goodwin" <nigelg@lpilsley.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In message <n9Sdnf-9Y_hJrb3eRVnyjA@pipex.net>, Michael Chare
MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> writes
Also , it is unlikely that they will extend the converage of the Free to
Air
satellite footprint. The BBC having reduced the size of the footprint 2
years
ago when they stopped using the Sky encryption. You can get reception in
some
parts of Europe.
The BBC didn't 'reduce' anything, the transponders on Astra 2D were
originally designed to provide a tighter UK specific footprint, and
always have. The ITV channels were already using the 2D satellite, and
the BBC channels simply moved there when they went FTA.
This is likely to be a limiting factor for Freesat channels?, Astra 2D
is probably the only satellite that meets the requirements (so far!). As
far as I'm aware, all capacity is already taken?, so no more channels
can move there.
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Nigel.
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| Lower Pilsley | Website : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk |
| Chesterfield | Homepage for WinPicProg |
| England | http://www.winpicprog.co.uk |
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MJ Ray
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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"marco" <123_76654@satellite.com> wrote:
| Quote: | [...] its not fair that so many people are unable to
receive these channels
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Who pays for them and which government "regulates" them? I
suspect EU-wide FTA broadcasts of UK entertainment channels
would upset enough foreign broadcasters, producers and
governments to make things awkward.
Interestingly, I saw an advert on itv-3 which included telephone
numbers for some other countries. Maybe ITV would broadcast
more widely if international companies paid more for ads. |
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Jim Watt
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Freeview UK |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:12:15 +0200, "marco" <123_76654@satellite.com>
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| Quote: | it seems to me as if there is some sort of hickup with Astra 2D
as the footprint seems a lot smaller than the other beams, i
assume this is the reason why it cant even reach outside UK.
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Its designed that way in order to keep the cost of the rights
payments down for the boradcasters that use it as its theoretically
impossible to receive anything on it outside the UK
so I am told.
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